tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-91866395860000241352024-03-13T04:53:17.246-05:00Revised Chronology views of MithrandirThis Blog is where I shall discus my views on Revised Chronology. Form my perspective as a Bible Believing Six-Day Young Earth Creationist.
I agree with most of the Basic pillars Immanuel Velikovsky laid out in Ages in Caos. But disagree with many details.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-68154314675752461652022-04-02T02:20:00.176-05:002023-09-11T08:10:26.290-05:00Merneptah as The Pharaoh who destroyed Gezer<div style="text-align: left;"><div>Once again I’m shifting my Revised Chronology views.</div><div><br /></div><div>One argument against Shoshenq as Shishak we don't make enough is how Shoshenq was the first of his dynasty and so it makes the Pharaoh who destroyed Gezer and married a Princess of his Royal House to Solomon a Pharaoh of the dying and never really that militarily strong to begin with 21st Dynasty. There simply is no archeological evidence for any 21st Dynasty Pharoah doing anything in Canaan especially not militarily, the last Pharaoh attested in the region until Shoshenq is Rameses VI of the 20th Dynasty. And that Dynasty lasted over a century (in conventional chronology anyway) while 44-45 years separated Shishak's campaign agaisnt Rehoboam from the beginning of the reign of Solomon.</div><div><br /></div><div>Another argument is how even in conventional chronology Shoshenq is actually too late. See the conventional dates for Shosenq are based on identifying him with Shishak and thus place him when mainstream Bible Scholars place the end of Solomon's reign. When the 22nd Dynasty ended is pretty undisputed, we’re at the dawn of classical antiquity when all that goes down, plenty of solid verifiable synchronizations. And proponents of various Revised Chronologies have pointed out that conventional chronologists are really stretching the dates for the 22nd dynasty even to have it start contemporary with those late mainstream dates for Solomon and Rehoboam. It really should probably begin about the same time as the 23rd Dynasty, the Libyan dynasty of Upper Egypt, I think both were born of the same Libyan take over.</div><div><br /></div><div>I’ve always placed Solomon decades sooner as a long time proponent of Bishop James Ussher for the Kingdom period, but how much I agree with Ussher has lessened over the years. And now that I’ve advocated for an approach to the historical books of the Kingdom Period that allows me to consider their stated reign lengths may not even have to be accurate at face value, I’ve come to consider that Josephus’s dates for Solomon may be correct since he had access to now lost Temple records.</div><div><br /></div><div>In <u>Wars of The Jews</u> Book 6 near the end of Chapter 4 he says that the destruction of The Temple in 70 AD was 1130 years 7 months and 15 days from when Solomon first laid its foundations, that gives us 1061 BC or 1062 BC depending on how the 7 months affects things. In <u>Antiquities of The Jews</u> Josephus sought to correct mistakes he’d made in <u>Wars</u>, but in 20.10.2 he pretty much confirms that previous date for The Temple by saying it was 466 years 6 months and 10 days from the finishing of The Temple till it’s first destruction in 588-586 BC giving us 1054 or 1055 BC. Back to <u>Wars</u> Josephus says it was 477 years and 6 months after King David that the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem happened. Since David’s death was about 11 years before the full consecration of The Temple that lines up well with David dying and Solomon’s reign beginning in 1065 BC. Solomon reigned for 40 years and Shishak’s raid was in the 5th year of Rehoboam according to 1 Kings 14:25 and 2nd Chronicles 12:5 giving us 1021 or 1020 BC. But Shishak was already reigning in Egypt while Solomon was alive to harbor Jeroboam so was on the throne before 1025 BC.</div><div><br /></div><div>So I’m proposing a revised chronology today that’s really a comparatively slight revision.</div><div><br /></div><div>In Judges 1:29 the city of Gezer is among the cities the Israelites weren’t originally able to drive the Canaanites out of. Gezer was subdued by the Pharaoh whose daughter Solomon married in 1 Kings 9:15-17, he gave it to Solomon who then rebuilt it as an Israelite city. Gezer is clearly still a Canaanite city in the Amarna period, so placing Amarna later then Solomon doesn't work.</div><div><br /></div><div>That argument agaisnt Velikovsky's chronology has been stressed by David Rohl and supporters of his New Chronology, and my last posts on this blog that were actually about Revised Chronology were me supporting Rohl on at least the Amarna Period. But that timeline for David and Saul combined with his viewing Rameses II during one of his earliest campaigns as Shishak would have to make the Pharaoh who took Gezer either Horemheb, Rameses I or Seti I. But there are no surviving references to any of those three or Rameses II himself taking Gezer.</div><div><br /></div><div>Instead in all of Egyptian History the most well known and celebrated destruction of Gezer by an Egyptian Ruler was Merneptah the son and successor of Pharaoh Rameses II on the Stele named after him. But this Stele isn’t the only reference, we know from the Amada Temple that Merneptah destroyed Gezer himself, he’s not merely referring to someone else destroying the cities in the region as Velikovsky’s 19th Dynasty theory had to interpret it. </div><div><br /></div><div>However the Merneptah Stele is also known as the “Israel Stele'' because of a line commonly read as saying “Israel is laid waste and his seed is not”. If Israel was actually Merneptah’s ally and at the height of her prosperity under Solomon then how does this make sense? Well I believe that reading is wrong and agree with those who argue “Israel” should read “Jezreel” instead.</div><div><br /></div><div>We are no longer dependent on this stele for archaeological verification that Israel even existed, and one thing those other references seem to show to me is that Israel was not a name the Israelites were called by outsiders, especially not a hostile one bragging about claiming to have destroyed them. Like how the Japanese don't generally call themselves that. I think often outsiders would have just called them the same names they called the Canaanites because they weren't interested in the region's ethnic make up changing. Besides that Egyptian and Assyrian records more often then not used the names of capital cities or more localized regions, tribes and clans.</div><div><br /></div><div>The only other inscription commonly read as being a foreign King using the name Israel is Shalmaneser’s reference to King Ahab, but that too has been alternatively interpreted as reading Jezreel, and since that city was Ahab's capital and he didn’t actually rule all of Israel, that definitely makes more sense. Both these sources were not using Alphabet based written languages like Hebrew, Jezreel absolutely would be represented in characters that could easily be confused with how the same system would say Israel.</div><div><br /></div><div>Now Jezreel in The Bible is the name of both a City and a Valley by the City, but I believe the City was pretty much founded by the House of Omri, perhaps Ahab himself, and that any reference chronologically before then is referring to the Valley. And that agrees with the Merneptah Stele which doesn’t call Jezreel a city as it did Gezer and Ashkelon in the preceding lines. Jezreel in this Stele could be referring to basically the same region that is the subject of 1 Kings 4:12, the cities linked to Jezreel there were also ones the Canaanites weren’t driven out of back in Judges 1:27. </div><div><br /></div><div>That said there could have been some actual Israelites allied with the Canaanites who Merneptah fought this campaign agaisnt, perhaps some northerners were still resistant to unifying under the House of David, the Sea Peoples I'm still working on my theory for.</div><div><br /></div><div>Back in 1 Kings 9:15-17 the taking of Gezer by Pharaoh is to add context to Solomon doing construction projects there but also other places like Megiddo, a city in the above verse whose name is also applied to the valley of Jezreel. I don’t think this Pharaoh destroyed any of those cities in a similar way, but the same campaign may have also weakened Canaanite presence in and around the Valley of Jezreel, the language could be of a specific obscure Canaanite clan tied to the valley.</div><div><br /></div><div>Every daughter of a Pharaoh was given the title “King’s Daughter” which she kind of held for life. So the “Daughter of Pharaoh” Solomon married may not actually be the Daughter of the Pharaoh at the time but of a previous one. I mention this since Rameses II had a lot of spare daughters we know little about, this excess of royal daughters could be exactly why Merneptah was more willing to marry one off to a foreign King then the prior 18th Dynasty Pharaohs had been. But given how old conventionalists feel Merneptah was when he became Pharaoh, a Granddaughter or even Great Granddaughter is also possible.</div><div><br /></div><div>That leads me to discussing the mysterious figure of Irsu. Hans Goedicke advocated a reading of the <u>Papyrus Harris I</u> where Irsu is not some usurper ruling Egypt but a “rebel” in the land of Canaan who the later 19th Dynasty had been in the opinion of this 20th Dynasty propagandist too soft on and that Twosret had even allied herself with, and then Setnakhte the first Pharaoh of the 20th Dynasty finally stopped tolerating this “rebellion”.</div><div><br /></div><div>Twosret is now known not to have been married to any of her predecessors as Pharaoh, but she seems to have been married to someone, this too is a mystery. The idea that she was a direct daughter of Merneptah has also been suggested.</div><div><br /></div><div>Basically I’m kind of suggesting that Solomon was Irsu, and maybe Twosret was the daughter of Pharaoh he was married to but this papyrus chose to obscure that. Irsu is an Egyptian designation that means “He who made himself” . I could see enemies of Solomon choosing to describe him that way. Another way Irsu has been transliterated is Yarsu, that really makes me consider the possibility that in addition to what it means in Egyptian it’s also a play on the name of Jerusalem. There is also no actual reference to Tworset dying at the end of her reign, she could have just left.</div><div><br /></div><div>Timeline wise it still wouldn’t be Setnakhte who was Shishak but Rameses III, that’s who’s reigning 44 years after Merneptah no matter when in Merneptah’s reign you start counting. Now as I’ve pointed out before that many miss, Shishak didn’t actually fight any battle with Rehoboam at all, Rehoboam following the advice of a Prophet willingly offered tribute. The language making it sound like “everything” in The Temple was taken by Shishak is hyperbole, none of the major Temple Sacred Relics were taken, and I don’t expect Ramses III would have even considered the incident all that notable.</div><div><br /></div><div>Rameses III also fought land battles in his wars with the Sea Peoples and that’s what probably brought him to the land of Israel. The Tjekker are linked in the Story of Wenamun to Dor, another city Judges 1:27 tells us was Canaanite. The Teresh I think could be Tarshish/Tarsus because they had close relations with both Tyre and Solomon. I finally have a view on Egyptology that doesn’t have me rejecting the Peleset=Philistines identification, but conventionally it’s said they weren’t in the Gaza region till after Rameses III which is obviously not the case here. And despite how we use the term these Egyptians texts don’t call the Tjekker or Peleset Sea Peoples.</div><div><br /></div><div>Or I could step back a minute and consider that maybe Setnakhte can be Shishak, maybe with the theory that Twosret and Irsu were married in mind we can argue her Reign was longer, but she was also ruling it from afar in Jerusalem with envoys of Solomon acting on her behalf. Basically Egypt and Israel temporarily unified in Royal matrimony Ferdinand and Isabel style?</div><div><br /></div><div>It’s also plausible from the reading of the Papyrus that Irsu himself wasn’t still in charge when Seknakhte put down the “rebellion” and so his pacifying Rehoboam is The Bible’s account of that same event.</div><div><br /></div><div>Once again I consider it futile to look for the name of Shishak among any names any Pharaohs actually used, it’s a Hebrew name with a Hebrew etymology and probably serves a similar function to Jeremiah calling Babylon Sheshach. Both Kings and Chronicles are commonly believed to enter their final written down forms around Jeremiah’s time or later. The same method by which Sheshach is B-B-L, Shishak would be B-B-D but I don’t actually think that’s the answer either. My point is it’s some type of poetic nickname. No one thinks Pharaoh is a personal name (except for the Mizriam isn't Kemet at all theory which I once flirted with but have abandoned), but the fact is it's largely because of The Bible that we use Pharaoh as a word for every Egyptian Monarch. But when dealing with the texts of Kings and Chronicles, Pharaoh is in fact never used of Shishak, rather when we compare the references Shishak is being used in place of Pharaoh. The problem with reading Pharaoh as an Egyptian synonym for King is that the word King is also used when Pharaoh is, it's Pharaoh King of Egypt and Shishak King of Egypt. It might be that in this period Pharaoh is used of the 19th Dynasty while Shishak is used of the 20th.</div><div><br /></div><div>There is almost certainly overlap between the reigns of Asa and Rameses III given how long they were. Zerah The Cushite was probably a chieftain of one of the Cushite tribes of Arabia and so I don’t feel the need to look for him in Egyptian records at all. The reference to Asa having dealt with invasions by Cushites and Lubims is a long after the fact statement that I don’t think actually means those two attacks were the same, The Lubim incident is just not otherwise in Scripture. The Lubim in Egyptian history were active and working with the Sea Peoples again in the time of Rameses III.</div><div><br /></div><div>This theory has been suggested before by a Peter James, and one objection to Solomon as Irsu was that Irsu is called a Hurrian. But in my <a href="https://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-languages-of-table-of-nations.html">Languages of The Table of Nations</a> study I argued that the family of Abraham were Hurrian originally, and maybe even as late as the time of Solomon many still used a Hurrian Language alongside the Language of Canaan.</div><div><br /></div><div>I've settled on viewing Rameses III as Shishak but I still think there was more then the conventional 30 years between Merneptah Year 5 and Rameses III's year 8 and that that involved a longer reign for Twosret.</div><div><br /></div><div>A lot of people don't understand how complex the Biblical picture of the Judges period is which is why so many people have trouble buying that the Amarna Letters are any period after Joshua. All the Authors of those letters are Pagan Canaanites and that's what I'd expect from The Biblical depiction. The major players are all among cities Judges 1 and other passages tell us were still Canaanite at least till the time of David (unless they are arguably outside the range of what was allotted to Israel entirely) Gezer, Megiddo, Jerusalem, Sidon and her daughter Tyre. And it could be more cities were Canaanite then just ones The Bible specified, Pella in the Trans-Jordan does not seem to be directly mentioned in Scripture at all, but most of the Roman era Decapolis cities were ones that had stayed Canaanite.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Israelites entered Canaan as primarily a pastoral nomadic people, for all of the Judges Period a good percentage of them, maybe even the majority, probably didn't even live in cities but preferred the rural life. But the major cities we know were Israelite cities during this period do not have Kings or Mayors who wrote letters to Pharaoh at Amarna. Hebron, Lachish, Bethlehem, Kirathjearim and Bethgader in Judah, Gibea in Benjamin, Bethel and Hai, Jericho, Shiloh, Shechem and Tirzah in the House of Joseph's allotment. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yafa_an-Naseriyye">Japhia</a> and the other Bethlehem in Zebulun, Kedesh-Naphtali and so on. Some of these cities are mentioned in the letters, some Canaanite Kings claimed sovereignty over them, but Kings do love to claim to be King of more then what they actually were.</div><div><br /></div><div>Labaya is the enigma, he's not really linked to a specific city the way the others are, he's been called the King of Shechem but that's actually a city he claims is in his domain and is not depicted as his capital at all. David Rohl argues for him being Saul and other revised chronologies have tried almsot every major Northern Kingdom monarch. But again Gezer shows that the post Solomon period can be ruled out for Amarna. And I really don't see Saul writing these kinds of letters to Pharaoh, even during his darker final years.</div><div><br /></div><div>This timeline most likely makes Labaya contemporary with Eli and the rise of Samuel. In which context Labaya as a leader of the Philistines oppressing Israel could work. Though a more minimalist interpretation of the Judges time period could make Labaya an Ammonite oppressor which would better fit his son being in the Trans-Jordan.</div><div><br /></div><div>But he could just be a King of one of the Judges 1 Canaanite cities who's Amarna era King isn't specifically known, probably one of the Jezreel Valley ones disputed between Issachar and Manasseh in Joshua 17:11 and Judges 1:27. Taanach is seemingly missing from the Amarna records, and it's far enough south to be in the West Bank on a modern Map of Israel, since Labaya's fall was at the hands of nearby Gina/Jenin it fits well. The name of Labaya however is believed to come from a word for Lion, and a famous Stele at Bethshean depicts a Lion and Lioness. Another Semitic word for Lion is Gur often translated "whelp" as in a baby lion, and Gur is also a place name connected to Ibleam in 1 Kings 9:27. Dor is also missing form the Amarna records, Labaya could have ruled an alliance of everyone in those verses but Megiddo.</div><div><br /></div><div>Back to the Sea Peoples subject, the Peleset being the Philistines and Tjekker the Canaanites of Dor I haven't changed my mind on, but they and the Lukka(Lycians) are NOT actually called Sea Peoples in the original Egyptian inscriptions. </div><div><br /></div><div>Based on Genesis 10 I think the term Philistim/Philistines was originally a term for Mizraimite colonists in Canaan and/or their puppets, though they could also have some Libyans like the Meshwesh and Tehenu, I believe Casluhim equates to what the Greeks and Romans would later call Cyrenaica and that the Lubim are a contracted form of Lehabim. Gaza has been described as Egypt's capital in the region during the New Kingdom. The Peleset name doesn't show up in Egyptian records till Ramses III because that's when these colonists sought independence. And so the Philistine oppressors of the eras of Jephthah, Samson, Eli, Samuel, Saul and David are really just the proxies of the 18th and early 19th Dynasty Egyptian Empire. And/or in addition to all that the Philistines could also be one of the tribes that made up the Hyksos.</div><div><br /></div><div>But I now know that in the Merneptah records it's confirmed that the Ekwesh, Teresh, Shekelesh and Sherden were all Circumcised peoples, so that most likely rules out the Teresh being the Tarshish of Japheth and thus Tarsus. However 1st Chronicles mentioned a Tarshish of Benjamin, but with only one "sh" the Teresh could perhaps more likely be Tirzah a name linked to Western Manasseh.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Danuans mentioned in the Amarna letters are all in letters about affairs in Lebanon, so that fits them being Dan after their migration recorded in Judges 18 to an area north of Apheca and expanding from there. They hadn't taken over Gebel/Byblos yet but I think they will by the time of Solomon. From there they colonized the "islands" that Rameses III associated his Denyen with.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Sherden I once again think are the Sardite clan of Zebulun descended from Sered of Genesis 46:14 and Numbers 26:26, and perhaps also connected to the place named Sarid in Joshua 19:10-12. The Shekelesh has been suggested to be Issachar (Egyptian like Japanese uses often confuses the L and R sounds). The Weshesh has been argued by some scholars to be Asher. I feel like the name of Ekwesh could be explained as tied to Akko, they are the Asherites who felt Akko belonged to them and kept trying to take it. The Weslesh and Ekwesh never appear together so them being different designations for the same people is plausible.</div><div><br /></div><div>I kind of want to explain all the Circumcised Sea Peoples as clans of either Dan, Asher or Zebulun, they are the ones with Biblical passages hinting at them becoming "Sea Peoples", either in their Blessings in Genesis 49 and Deuteronomy 33 or the Song of Deborah. But Western Manasseh did have access to the coast, from how the allotments are usually mapped way more so then Zebulun. Meanwhile Issachar is linked to Zebulun in those blessings.</div><div><br /></div><div>So I've been looking into the Alashiya (a people often identified with Elishah of Genesis 10 and Ezekiel 27), and the old scholarly discussions on if they were on Cyprus or on the mainland in Syria or Cilicia, and I'm so annoyed that everyone felt it has to be either/or. I think their capital was probably Enkomi which was close to where Salamis was in New Testament times, but I think they probably had colonies or at least trading ports on the mainland coasts, and my hunch is one was around where Antioch on the Orontes would later be founded.</div><div><br /></div><div>I think references to "The Isles" in The Hebrew Bible and other ancient Semitic texts prior to Alexander The Great are chiefly to the Greek world, it contained a lot of Islands, the Peloponnese was sometimes called an island even though it's technically not. I think to the ancient Near East who didn't know much about the world further west then that, the Greek world including Magna Grecia was probably thought of a being the Isles of the West.</div><div><br /></div><div>In The Bible this phrase first appears in Genesis 10:5 where the portion of either Japheth as a whole or just Javan from verse 4 is called "The Isles of the Nations". Next is Esther 10:1, since Ahasuerus is Xerxes that being a reference to his invading Greece fits. Psalm 72:10 says "the Kings of Tarshish and of the isles", Isaiah 60:9 associates the term with Tarshish and Isaiah 66:19 again sociates them with Javan. Jeremiah 2:10 refers to the Isles of Kittim, and then 25:22 refers to the Isles that Tyre and Sidon trade with which Ezekiel 27 with repeatedly identify with Javan and his sons.</div><div><br /></div><div>So likewise I think "The Isles" that are associated with the Denyen by Rameses III are the Greek world and thus they are the Danaoi/Danaans of Homer. If they are also a colony of The Tribe of Dan I don't think that means Dan made any significant permanent impact on the Hellene Gene Pool. The Danaans/Acheans/Argrives of Homer chiefly ruled the Peloponnese, their kingdoms were later taken over by the Indo-European Dorians. The "Acheans" of Classical Antiquity are just Dorians who appropriated that name. The Dorians never fully subjugated Arcadia, but I don't think the Danaans did either. </div></div>Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-38072017563849059172021-07-01T11:15:00.034-05:002023-10-23T18:42:28.845-05:00Dan West of Baalbek<p> So <a href="https://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/06/dan-and-baalbek.html">I'd commented on Velikovsky's Dan as Baalbek theory before</a>. I no longer agree with that theory but have came up with one similar.</p><p>While Baalbek was a site with Temples going way back into the Bronze Age, the most impressive structures there now are Roman ones, chiefly The Temple to Jupiter built by Hadrian. It seems like originally the far more important cult center was to the West, in the eastern part of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byblos_District">Byblos District</a> of Modern Lebanon.</p><p>A site in that region called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afqa">Afqa</a>/Afka/Apheca/Afeka is one of the sites proposed to be the Aphik/Aphek allotted to Asher in Joshua 19:30 and Judges 1:31. Marvin H. Pope of Yale University proposed that somewhere in this area was the ancient home of El referred to in the Ugarit texts. In Greek Mythology this same region is associated with the myth of Adonis/Adonais who's name comes from the Biblical Hebrew Adoni/Adonai which is not otherwise known to have been used by Canaanites who preferred Baal as their word for calling a god Lord. So I really do think this is evidence this cult was a Paganized worship of of the God of Abraham.</p><p>Both those references to Asher's Aphik mentioned a Rehob nearby. If this is the same Rehob that is identified with the "Entering in of Hamath" in Numbers 13:21 as well as the Bethrehob of Laish in Judges 18, then that is the city of Northern Dan. Judges 1:31 lists these cites as among those Asher didn't drive the Canaanites out of, so that's consistent with them still being Canaanite when Dan arrives later. </p><p>My current theory reads that verse as making them the northern most of those cities and Accho/Acco the Sothern Most. Accho is the city called Ptolemais in Greco-Roman times and thus in The New Testament, Acre by the Crusaders and is now known as Akka in modern Israel. It would be the only of the Judges 1:31 cities that is today in Israel rather then Lebanon. And Asher unlike the tribes in the surrounding verses didn't even make these Canaanite cities Tributaries, they remained fully independent. </p><p>So Rehob/Laish/Dan is probably <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yanouh">Yanouh</a> (the nearby temples at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qalaat_Faqra">Qaalat Faqra</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yammoune">Yammoune</a> are also interesting).</p><p>For Naphtali the main cities they didn't drive the Canaanites out of, but that they did make Tributaries, were Beth-Anath and Bethshemesh according to Judges 1:33. These Tributaries I think were still practicing their Native Baal Worship however. Two of the sites proposed for Beth-Anath are in South Eastern Lebanon close to the proper Naphtalite territory. </p><p>More then one city is called Beth-Shemesh in the Hebrew Bible since naturally there were many Houses of Sun Worship. The one west of Jerusalem was no longer in use by Hellenistic times. The Bethshemesh in the Land of Egypt mentioned in Jeremiah 43:13 we know was called Heliopolis by the Greeks. Baalbek was also called Heliopolis by the Greeks.</p><p>Baalbek and Afqa are close to being on the same Latitude, along with the port city of Byblos. In 1 Kings 5:18 what the KJV weirdly translated "Stonequarers" is actually Gibilites or people of Gebel/Byblos. Since a Maternal Danite was the architect of The Temple I consider this evidence Gebel was Dan's port city.</p><p>The Byblos District is among the regions of Lebanon where today the majority of the population is Maronite. I have a theory that the Maronites are the modern descendants of the Danites. They are significantly the Majority of Christians in Lebanon, and DNA studies have shown the Lebanese Christians to be among the groups even closer related to The Jews then the Arabs are. Since the people classified as Arabs includes the Ishmaelites, Keturites, Edomites and probably now also descendants of Moab and Ammon, that would have to make The Maronites fellow descendants of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.</p><p>The Adonis connection also means this region's version of Astarte might be the version who became Aphrodite after entering Greece through the Southern Peloponnese. The same region of Greece said to have been colonized by Danoi/Danaans.</p>Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-3555805255954067642020-12-25T22:13:00.017-06:002022-04-04T13:42:03.722-05:00The Three Kings skipped by Matthew<p><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; white-space: pre-wrap;">It is appropriate for this kind of Hebrew genealogy to skip generations, and Matthew outright admits he wants to make this three sets of 14 generations.</span></p><span id="docs-internal-guid-f68a3533-7fff-e23b-35ad-4de3eb32d26d"><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Timescale and comparison to Luke has me convinced Matthew is also skipping generations from the Captivity to Jesus. And I think even the Hebrew Bible genealogies skip some generations from Nasshon to Boaz.</span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br /></span></p><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">All that said why leave these three of all of them out is something worth enquiring about.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">The usual explanation for Matthew 1:8 skipping right from Joram to Uzziah is that the three kings skipped (Ahaziah, Joash and Amaziah) were “bad” kings. But they weren’t the worst kings, in fact Joash and Amaziah could be considered pretty okay. Manasseh was way worse but Chronicles records his repentance, however Amon and Ahaz were also worse than those three and have no repentance recorded. I’ve seen one suggestion that it has to do with them starting good but then “going bad” and not repenting, but that narrative describes Solomon more than anyone else, and can arguably apply to Uzziah and Josiah as well. </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">I’m intrigued by the fact that all three are consecutive, it’s like an entire era of the Davidic Monarchy’s history is being skipped.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">What’s also interesting is that the two names flanking this skip are both names for which the Hebrew Bible has a degree of chaos concerning what their name even is. Uzziah is also called Azariah and Joram is also called Jehoram. And in each case at least one of those names is shared by other individuals who lived at the same time they did.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">I’ve been considering the possibility that the post Pentateuch Historical books of the Hebrew Bible should perhaps not be considered as authoritative or infallible as those books much more directly quoted as Scripture by Jesus or other New Testament writers. They are not unambiguously quoted in the NT, New Testament references to the “Old Testament” are focused on the Law and the Prophets. When Paul talks about “rightly dividing the word of truth” and about testing all things, maybe it’s okay to subject the historical books to the same historical criticism other historical texts are given.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Immanuel Velikovsky in the first volume of Ages in Chaos in the section on the Amarna letters deals with what he perceives to be contradictions in the text by suggesting that Jehoram King of Israel didn’t exist. I however, even back when I wasn’t open to what I’m suggesting now figured a far more plausible theory would be to say it's the Jehoram of Judah who didn’t exist. That perhaps both Kings and Chronicles in their final forms are Judean histories seeking to erase that there was a time when Judah was conquered by the House of Omri.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">That perhaps 2 Kings 8:16 was originally saying the fifth year of Jerhoram of Israel’s reign in Israel was when he became King of Judah. And 2 Kings 8:25 that in his twelfth year he made his son Ahaziah King of Judah similar to how the heir to the throne of England is the Prince of Wales. And Jehoram was perhaps married to his sister which was acceptable in some ancient Near Eastern pagan monarchies.</span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">And so when Jehosheba and her husband the Priest Jehoiada conspire against Athaliah to put a kid on the Throne, it’s their kid not a Nephew. The Azariah who lived at the same time as King Uzziah was a “chief priest” in 2 Chronicles 14-20, a term that is distinct in Hebrew from “High Priest” but many treat it as the same. </span></p><br /><p dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap;">Maybe Uzziah was the first patrilineal descendant of Jehoshaphat to sit on the Throne of David since Jehoshaphat was alive and that is what Matthew 1:8 is actually telling us?</span></p></span>Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-61225165742572294612019-08-02T15:51:00.005-05:002024-01-12T02:54:10.583-06:00I've discovered people arguing that the "Aryans" descended from Ham.<div>[Update 2023: I regret this post, I don't even to even facetiously endorse any Nazi ideas.]</div><span><a name='more'></a></span><div><br /></div>I'm not making this post to argue I agree with that theory (it doesn't fit my current conclusions on the Y-Chromosomal DNA Evidence), but I don't particularly want to refute it either. It may have some partial truth to it, I've already suggested a connection between the <a href="https://mithrandironmythology.blogspot.com/2018/03/tuatha-de-danann-table-of-nations-and.html">Tuatha DeDannan and the Dedan of Rama son of Cush</a>, as well as that the <a href="https://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2016/11/england-and-egypt.html">Anglo-Saxons and their Scandinavian and Northern European relatives may partially descend form Mizraim</a>. However my main thesis I've expressed <a href="https://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2015/06/shem-ham-and-japheth.html">on this blog</a> is that there is no clearly consistent correlation between sons and grandsons of Noah and what we in the 19th century classified as "Racial" characteristics.<br />
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I'm making this post because I find the theory narratively interesting. It's mainly been proposed by White Supremacists who have a Marcionite/Gnostic theology and so prefer to claim descent from those the Hebrew Bible seemingly vilifies rather then from any Semites. I've also seen secular White Supremacists claim the Ancient Egyptians were actually White in books like <u>Irish Origins of Civilization</u>. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Stewart_Chamberlain">Houston Stewart Chamberlain</a> is often called "Hitler's John The Baptist", I can't claim to be an expert on what he believed since I don't want to actually read his book, but from skimming Wikipedia pages I can see he taught a couple of things that are pointing in this direction. He considered the Berbers to be Aryans thus making the descendants of Phut into Aryans. And his argument for Jesus being an Ayran was saying Jesus was actually an Amorite.<br />
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While this theory has mostly been taught by White Supremacists, I'm surprised the Black Hebrew Israelite movement hasn't adopted it for opposite reasons, just minus claiming Jesus wasn't an Israelite.<br />
<br />
Their theory is predicated on prophetically connecting Israelite Slavery in Mizraim to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade, so why not argue it was also again Mizraimites who were the en-slavers in that trade? As well as Hitler, the Concentration Camps started out as Forced Labor camps, and the perpetrators of Apartheid. The Book of Hosea has an alleged contradiction where 8:13 and 9:3 seems to say the Captivity will take them again to Mizraim but 11:5 says they won't return to the Land of Mizraim. It could be argued this is because Mizraim's location has changed.<br />
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The name of Ham has been interpreted to mean "Hot" as in possibly referring to tropical climates. But it's also been claimed to mean "burnt". Under the "traditional" assumption that Ham refers to Black people that is taken as meaning they look like they've been burned to White People. But the scientific fact is people with low Melanin in their skin are the ones most vulnerable to being Sun Burnt.<br />
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Joel Chapter 3 refers to Philistines and Sidonians selling Judeans and Jerusalemites as slaves to Greeks(Javan). While Greece is in the Hebrew Bible named after a son of Japheth, the actual genealogical make up of Ancient Greece was more complicated, studying Y Haplogroups suggests all three sons of Noah are likely represented among them. In Greek Mythology the Pre-Hellenitic inhabitants of Greece included the Arcadians and Sintians who are probably the Arkite and Sinite tribes of Canaan. The Danoi/Danaans/Acheans supposedly descended from a royal family of Ancient Egypt and Cecrops the founder of Athens is also sometimes said to have lead an Egyptian colony. And Thebes was founded by Cadmus a Sidonian. The Dorians could perhaps have come from the Canaanites of Dor after Asher and Manasseh eventually drove them out. There is also the fact that a very archaic Greek word for King, Anax, could come from Anak, a name dynasticly associated with Canaanite kings of Hebron in Numbers, Deuteronomy and Joshua. Also Dodona could come from a Dedan, perhaps the Cushite Dedan. And there is the popular theory of associating Caphtor with Crete.<br />
<br />
And maybe an argument can be made for the Trojans/Dardanians being Canaanites as well, since <a href="https://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/08/a-theory-about-troy.html">I've already argued for connecting them to Joppa</a>.<br />
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It's an interesting thought process. But I ultimately don't care who descends from who, Jesus died for all Descendants of Adam and Eve which I believe includes all Homo-Sapiens and some people modern science wouldn't consider Homo-Sapiens.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-29133196522293329422019-05-19T12:16:00.000-05:002019-12-13T00:13:14.374-06:00Chariots had been used in Egypt as far back as the Old Kingdom.This is now known thanks to discoveries made in 2013.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariotry_in_ancient_Egypt">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariotry_in_ancient_Egypt</a><br />
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In <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian" title="Ancient Egyptian">ancient Egyptian</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society" title="Society">society</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot" title="Chariot">chariotry</a> stood as an independent unit in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King" title="King">King</a>’s <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_force" title="Military force">military force</a>. Chariots are thought to have been first used as a weapon in Egypt by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyksos" title="Hyksos">Hyksos</a><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-1"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariotry_in_ancient_Egypt#cite_note-1">[1]</a></sup>
in the 16th century BC, though investigation of materials long held in
the Tahrir Square Egyptian Museum has potentially revealed the presence
of chariots as early as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Kingdom_of_Egypt" title="Old Kingdom of Egypt">Old Kingdom</a> (c. 2686–2181 BC).<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-2"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariotry_in_ancient_Egypt#cite_note-2">[2]</a></sup> The Egyptians developed their own design of the chariot.
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<ol class="references">
<li id="cite_note-2" value="2"></li>
<li id="cite_note-1"><span class="reference-text"><a class="external text" href="http://www.historymatters.appstate.edu/documents/egyptchariots_000.pdf" rel="nofollow">Hyskos introduced chariots to ancient Egypt</a> <a class="external text" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20100629203129/http://www.historymatters.appstate.edu/documents/egyptchariots_000.pdf" rel="nofollow">Archived</a> 2010-06-29 at the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayback_Machine" title="Wayback Machine">Wayback Machine</a></span>
</li>
<li id="cite_note-2"><br /></li>
<span class="reference-text">Nevine El-Aref,
“Old Kingdom leather fragments reveal how ancient Egyptians built their
chariots”, English Ahra, Monday 22 Apr 2013, <a class="external free" href="http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/69897/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Old%20Kingdom-leather-fragments-reveal-how-ancient-E.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/9/40/69897/Heritage/Ancient-Egypt/Old%20Kingdom-leather-fragments-reveal-how-ancient-E.aspx</a></span></ol>
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Much past discussion of when in Egyptian History certain Biblical events could have happened were based on the long held assumption that there were no Chariots in Egypt till the Hyksos period. But we now know otherwise. I wish I'd known about this sooner, being made in 2013 it predates my starting this Blog, I could have opened with it.<br />
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I'm still reevaluating just how much of my past Revised Chronology speculations I still agree with. But for now this is an enlightening discovery either way.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-36083640602115949642018-12-05T07:24:00.015-06:002021-10-13T20:17:50.940-05:00What does Greek even mean?First I want to remind people that when I discus the Table of Nations
I don't expect direct easy correlations between Noah's sons and modern
"racial" classifications or DNA Haplogroups or ancient assumptions about
the continents. I think things were a lot more complicated then that.<br />
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In
the KJV of the Hebrew Bible any time you see Greece or Greek or Grecia or Grecian
it's a reference to Javan son of Japheth, his descendants and where they settled. Which scholars of the ancient
Bronze/Iron Age and early classical antiquity know refereed to the
Ionians and Ionia.<br />
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However in the New Testament those words are
translations of references to the Hellens. The Hellens as an ethnic term didn't always include everyone we today mean by Greeks. However the word was also
associated with anyone who could speak the Hellenic language and is thus
used of Hellenized Jews like the Seven Deacons in Acts 6.<br />
<br />
The
Ionians were Hellens, but only one of a number of Hellenic tribes. And
of the mythical founder figures of the original four Hellenic tribes,
Ion's parentage is questionable, which may be a mythical memory that the
Ionians were not Hellens originally but became absorbed into them. And the same
may be true later on of the tribes said to descend from Hellen's
sisters' sons.<br />
<br />
The ancient root of the words Greek and Greece is one of those nephews of Hellen, Greacus, but the Hellens typically said to come from him were mainly those of Southern Italy and Sicily, Magna Graecia. The Latins called all Hellens Greeks after them and thus via the Vulgate that's why there are so many Greeks in our English Bibles.<br />
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Ionia was a part of Asia Minor/Turkey, south
of Mysia and west of Phrygia, it included the cities of Miletus, Ephesus
and Smyrna, and Islands like Samos. The Ionians also colonized more Aegean islands and
eventually came to the actual mainland of modern Greece and by the early
Classical period a significant portion of the population of Athens/Attica were
Ionians, maybe even the majority. But the Athenians of legends set in
the Heroic Age were not likely to have been Ionians.<br />
<br />
Athens
becoming the cultural capital of Greece during the Classical Period is
the main basis for treating Ionian and Hellen as synonyms, but on
purely genealogical grounds it doesn't work so well. Alexander The
Great can be called of Javan based on his culture, being educated by
Aristotle made him in many ways more Athenian then Macedonian in his
way of thinking. But also Daniel 8:21 arguably describes Alexander as a King of Javan in a way that doesn't' necessarily make him Javanite himself. Daniel 11 doesn't directly link Alexander to Javan at all but mentions Javan as where the Persian Wars started, the first conflict of which is known as the Ionian Revolt.<br />
<br />
Now I do believe that the
Grandsons of Noah had more children then just the ones named, the sons
named are founders of offshoot nations. Therefore I do think Ionian strictly
speaking doesn't include the nations of Javan's four sons. So does that
justify expanding Javan's descendants to include all Hellens? Well that's
complicated, there is plenty of reason to think all their original locations were also either in modern Turkey or on islands not far from Turkish coast-lands.<br />
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Kittim is well known to refer to Cyprus, Kition, but perhaps not even all of it as Kition was one of ten ancient kingdoms of Cyprus. Attempts to expand it to being synonymous with "Greece" start with desiring to see Isaiah 23 as about Alexander's siege of Tyre. But Kittim is not actually identified as Tyre's enemy here but a place Tyrians would try to flee to, which can potentially apply equally to both Alexander's siege and Nebuchadnezzar's. Daniel 11:30 is used to try and make Kittim into Rome because in the traditional view this is where Rome starts becoming a thorn in the side of Antiochus Epiphanes, but that encounter between Antiochus and Rome happened on Cyprus. In my alternative view that this is about the reign of Ptolemy IV this may have to do with how Cyprus was under Ptolemaic control. <a href="http://www.instonebrewer.com/TyndaleSites/Egypt/ptolemies/affilates/aff_soli.htm">There was even a brief dynastic connection</a>.<br />
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Elishah is the big factor in trying to make all Hellens into Javanites, sometimes by arguing the name Hellen itself comes from Elishah which is pretty tortured, as well as Elysium and the Elysian fields which were underworld locations, and Josephus said the Eleans (people of Elis) came from Elishah. However the Elishah of Javan is probably the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alashiya">Alashiya</a>, another kingdom of ancient Cyprus, perhaps specifically the sites of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenta,_Cyprus" title="Tenta, Cyprus">Kalavasos</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alassa" title="Alassa">Alassa</a>. Elishah and Kittim are both mentioned together with Mizraim in Ezekiel 27:7-8, at the time Ezekiel was writing Egypt was also colonizing Cyprus, or in one theory I've considered had been exiled there.<br />
<br />
The Dodanim is most likely supposed to be read Rodanim which <a href="https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2018/12/hebrew-textual-variations.html">I explained the textual reasons for</a> on my Sola Scirptura blog. It most likely refers to Rhodes, an island north-east of Crete and closer to Turkey then it is to Crete, south of Ionia. KJV onlyists however will cling to Dodanim irrationally, which makes Dodona an attractive identification. Dodona was an Oracle in Epirus even more ancient then Delphi, and also a city in Thessaly. Aristotle said Dodona was the original homeland of the Aeoleans, but history wasn't his area of expertise. Attempts to say they were actually the Dardanians are also made, but there is no textual support for a d-r reading.<br />
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Tarshish is who's identification is the most mysterious. I do not think possibly misunderstood <a href="https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-books-of-chronicles-versus-samuel.html">Chronicles verses</a> are good justification for placing Tarshish in the east rather then west. Regions of ancient Spain like Tartessos I think were first settled by Phut, there has long been speculation that the Basques are related to the Berbers. And if I were to theorize a Biblical origin for the name Tartessos itself, Tirzah is closer then Tarshish since there are reasons that letter for Z sometimes become a T.<br />
<br />
I no longer support fanciful theories about Tarshish being Briton or India or Japan. However of mainstream theories Tarsus is the most probable.<br />
<br />
Tarshish is another example of my maybe coming to support a theory of Velikovsky I originally didn't think I would, which is making them the Minoans/Crete or more specifically Knossos.<br />
<a href="https://www.varchive.org/nldag/tarshish.htm">https://www.varchive.org/nldag/tarshish.htm</a><br />
<br />
However it could also simply be the Tarsus of Cilicia which was already known by that name in Assyrian Inscriptions. <br />
<br />
In Greek Mythology a people called the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telchines">Telchines</a> were the earliest inhabitants of Rhodes, and also lived on Cyprus and Crete. So this term could be a name given to the offshoots of Javan. And that makes them Pre-Hellenic not Hellens.<br />
<br />
The Pre-Hellenic people of Greece were often called Pelasgians as a whole, yet Pelasgians are sometimes implied to be one specific group. Some theories about the etymology of Pelasgian imply there wasn't originally an S before the G, which makes a connection to Peleg possible.<br />
<br />
I also believe two Canaanite tribes were among the Pre-Helelnic Greeks. The Arkite tribe were the Arcadians and the Sinite tribe the Sintians.<br />
<br />
Thrace I think was the ancient nation of Tiras, but I think Thracians also traveled north and contributed to Scandinavia.<br />
<br />
Where do I think the Hellens came from Biblically? Well I think they may have been Israelites who lost their identity. Partly from north western coastal tribes of the Northern Kingdom becoming sea traders and thus mingling with the Phoenicians as well as Ionians in cities like Miletus. And partly from what Joel 3 says about children of Judah and Jerusalem being sold as slaves to Javanites by Tyre and Philista. Which could include the wives and children of Jehoram of Judah some of whom were taken by the Philistines. <br />
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On my comparative mythology blog I shall in the future discus evidence for that from Greek mythology. But one particular factor there, since the Joel verse gives good reason to see Benjamites as included, is that the Tarsus of Cilicia could come from the Tarshish of the Tribe of Benjamin in 1 Chronicles 7:10. Paul was born in Tarsus of Cilicia and is well known to have been a Benjamite.<br />
<br />
But for now I want to remind those trying to argue Paul only brought The Gospel to the "Lost Tribes" that specifically Ionian places are important in Acts. Ephesus and Miletus in Ionia (likewise Ephesus and Smyrna in Revelation), Athens, Cyrpus, Rhodes and Crete were all visited by Paul. And then of course <a href="https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2019/11/tarshish-is-tarsus-of-cilicia.html">Paul's hometown may itself be Tarshish</a>.<div><br /></div><div><u>Update October 2020</u>: I'm updating this in the context of my <a href="https://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2020/10/the-languages-of-table-of-nations.html">Language of The Table of Nations</a> discussion on another blog.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Linguistic unity of all the subtribes of Greece has caused me somewhat change what I argued above and still view all of them as ultimately of Javan. First look at this Map from the Dorian Invasion Wikipedia page.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0vXHAWuB-xbiV4e7DPc0aLo3aCM_AOVSp5sMRogTjQkm5EKpaO72w8SqnwqNGMea16lzxvKoPc-MSu008irDyrNQXTTn5ERNHgMtjsgPApuTW_h_YeXwUIF5JMCaUWTnvxEfbamj-3sk/s800/800px-AncientGreekDialects_%2528Woodard%2529_en.svg.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="673" data-original-width="800" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg0vXHAWuB-xbiV4e7DPc0aLo3aCM_AOVSp5sMRogTjQkm5EKpaO72w8SqnwqNGMea16lzxvKoPc-MSu008irDyrNQXTTn5ERNHgMtjsgPApuTW_h_YeXwUIF5JMCaUWTnvxEfbamj-3sk/s320/800px-AncientGreekDialects_%2528Woodard%2529_en.svg.png" width="320" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>Elishah I believe was the Northwest Greeks and the Aeolians.</div><div><br /></div><div>Further Update June 2021: There is plenty of reason to suspect the region of Ionia is where all the ancestors of the Hellens lived first. Linguistically that Phrygian is considered closely related to Greece fits, and the Anatolian Languages might be as well, perhaps they are the branch of Javan represented by Tarshish. Archeologists don't believe Hellenic speakers arrived on Western site of the Aegean till about 1600 BC. Revised Chronology could bring that down another 4 or 5 centuries.</div><div><br /></div><div>Homer is believed to have lived on an Island on Anatolia's side of the Aegean, and Hesiod is said to have been born there as well. Ionia is also where Pre-Socratic Greek Philosophy started, the three Milesian Philosophers, Heraclitus of Ephesus, Xenophanes of Colophon, and Pythagoras was born in Samos.</div>Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-83608450583604031592018-09-07T19:47:00.001-05:002020-03-11T05:36:54.797-05:00The Richat Structure as Atlantis theoryRecently I learned of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richat_Structure">Richat Structure</a> theory via this video from the Bright Insight YouTube Channel.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDoM4BmoDQM</a><br />
He believes a number of fringe things I don't support, like when he talks about Baalbek in other videos.<br />
[[That video now has a follow up <a href="https://youtu.be/lyV8TUlV3Ds">https://youtu.be/lyV8TUlV3Ds</a>.]] <br />
<br />
Here is a playlist of the full documentary on the subject.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzaG2Oyvx5GAFhqrPSo5CyrmBNL3Z1E3">https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPzaG2Oyvx5GAFhqrPSo5CyrmBNL3Z1E3</a><br />
It brings up the debunked Dogon/Sirius mystery stuff, but other then that seems like solid research.<br />
<br />
Now I was aware of Atlantis possibly being in North-West Africa long before I heard of the Richat Structure. So these advocates of the theory would benefit by mentioning how broadly Atlantis in this region theories were proposed before the Richat Structure was even discovered in 1965.<br />
<br />
Like the theories of French geographer E. F. Berlioux first published in 1874, and expanded in 1883 in <i>L'Atlas primitif et l'Atlantis</i>, of the Saharian Sea, which located Atlantis in the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoggar_Mountains">Hoggar mountains</a> of the Saharan Atlas. A different part of North-West Africa, but still in the ballpark broadly.<br />
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That theory was among the influences on French novelist Pierre Benoit (1886-1962) when he wrote his novel <i>L'Atlantide</i>, first published in France in February 1919. It was adapted to film multiple times before 1965, and influenced other fiction including some Italian Sword and Sandal films, the character of Queen Antinea was an important influence on the modern Femme Fatale archetype.<br />
<a href="http://www.coolfrenchcomics.com/atlantide.htm">http://www.coolfrenchcomics.com/atlantide.htm</a><br />
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These two different theories could be compatible, the Hoggar Mountains could have been home to one of the Colonies of Atlantis. <br />
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Herodotus refereed to Atlantians in North-West Africa in Book IV of his <u>Histories</u>, sections 184-185. Diodorus Sicilus <u>Library of History</u> Book III <a href="http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Diodorus_Siculus/3D*.html">Chapters 52-57&60-61</a> talks about people of North-West Africa (Libya to the Ancient Greeks was all of Saharan Africa west of Egypt and Cyrene, not just modern Libya) including people called Atlantians and the Libyan Amazons (and also claims the Gorgons were actually a Human Matriarchal Tribe of the region rather then Snake monsters). The curious thing about Diodorus account though is it's the Amazons rather then Atlantians who's history resembles Plato's Atlantis. Their capital city is on an island in a Marsh, they build a vast empire through conquest including making a connection with Aegytpos, but are stopped by Greeks, sometime after which their homeland is said to be submerged. His account does equate ancient Atlantian Kings with the Titans and Olympian deities however.<br />
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The question for me as a Biblical Literalist is, how do we fit this into a Biblical View of history?<br />
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First, if Atlantis (or whatever it was originally called) was a Post-Flood Civilization, they were probably among the descendants of Phut who is traditionally associated with North-West Africa. I believe Ezekiel 38 uses Phut as an idiom of the Far West, not unlike Greek Mythology associating Mount Atlas with the Far West.<br />
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But the idea that the Sinking of Atlantis is another memory of Noah's Flood should also be considered.<br />
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I've already explained why I think it's futile to assume the Euphrates of Genesis 2 must be where the Post-Flood Euphrates is. That was in the context of arguing for <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2018/03/eden-may-have-been-in-yemen.html">Eden being Aden in Yemen</a>, a theory I still lean towards, but in my search for truth I consider many theories.<br />
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The Garden of the Hesperides in Greek Mythology are often thought to be a corrupted Greek memory of the Garden of Eden, and it is traditionally placed near Mount Atlas as the Titan Atlas was sometimes the father of the Hesperides. In Plato's account of Atlantis the innermost island included a Sacred Garden of Poseidon. So could Atlantis also be a corrupt memory of Eden?<br />
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Maybe when Cain was exiled from Eden he was exiled from the Richat. Or maybe only from the inner most Island and it was the city he or his son founded that became this great imperial capital.<br />
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I've also <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-flood-did-not-destroy-earth-it.html">Biblically argued for The Flood being proceeded by a major war</a>.<br />
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And maybe in light of some <a href="http://mithrandironmythology.blogspot.com/2018/01/lilith-kabbalah-and-izanami.html">speculation on my Comparative Mythology Blog</a> the Gorgons could be an all female tribe descended from Lilith.<br />
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What I've said above can apply to a Global Flood model, which remains over all my view of The Flood.<br />
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However I said when <a href="http://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-most-racist-christians-often-are.html">addressing the Racist associations of Old Earth Creationism</a> that I could be open to a local flood interpretation of Genesis, it's an Old Earth model I'm completely against (though I am intrigued by <a href="https://youtu.be/9pjkJdtQkm8">Peter Hiett</a>'s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1508741778?pf_rd_p=d1f45e03-8b73-4c9a-9beb-4819111bef9a&pf_rd_r=DXECPVFHC8AWDQRDAAXF">The History of Time and the Genesis of you</a> theory which is the only such compromise that doesn't separate the Genesis 1 and 2 Adams or in some way claim not all Human descend from Adam and Eve).<br />
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I've looked at some of Michael Heiser's material on the subject. But here is the thing, if the purpose of a Local Flood model is to make The Bible fit more with what mainstream science assumes. Then Adam and Eve have to be placed in Africa not the Near East.<br />
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I have also found some sites arguing that via correcting possible translation ambiguities Genesis 7 could have been describing a Tsunami, which fits with what is proposed to have happened to Atlantis in the Richat Structure theory. So maybe it's possible Noah's Ark was built inside or near the Richat Structure, then a tidal wave took it out to the Ocean and it somehow wound up landing somewhere in the Near East.<br />
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What's important is all Homo-Sapiens descend from both Adam and Eve. If there are some who don't descend from Noah, the mainstream interpretation of the Genetic evidence implies they would have been in Africa. Now Racists could attempt to twist that kind of view to their means too, saying non Noahites are not as Chosen as the rest of us. But Romans 5 and 1st Corinthians 15 promise Salvation to all descendants of Adam, and Romans 11 that all Ethnicities will be grafted into Israel.<br />
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I've talked about Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2015/09/using-dna-in-studying-histoy.html">on this Blog before</a>. Not all my conclusions there necessarily need to be abandoned under this hypothesis. Here is a Tree of how mainstream scientists view the descent of Y-Chromosomal Haplogroups.<br />
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People who descend from A or B but not the rest are all indigenous to Africa.<br />
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The most attractive way to interpret that in this proposed Local Flood model would be BR is descent from Seth or Enos and CR is descent from Noah. I would then guess that C is Japheth (Enlarge is a mis-translation in Genesis 9, something I intend to talk about elsewhere, C is attested among Greeks and Cypriots). DE is Ham as Haplogroup E dominates much of Africa including Egypt including some ancient Mummies), Sudan, Ethiopia and North-West Africa, and has presence in the Middle East and even the Far East. And lastly F is Shem from whom comes Abraham who's descendants were destined to be the most numerous. People of Hamite Pater-lineal ancestry did get incorporated into Israel via the Mixed Multitude and The Torah specifically saying to welcome Mizraimites, so that's why there are both Ashkenazim, Shaphardi and other Jews who are in Y-Haplogroup E. (Though I've also been considering a model that would switch Ham and Shem.)<br />
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In-spite of all that speculation, I still lean towards a Global Flood. It's simply that if you want to convince me of a Local Flood model, this is the only viable one.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-37271407928566286092018-08-21T02:17:00.004-05:002023-02-11T04:48:50.330-06:00Jehu and the Tel-Dan SteleI want to state that I personally believe Jehu not Hazael authored the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Dan_Stele">Tel-Dan Stele</a>.<br />
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The slaying of Jehoram son of Ahab King of Israel and Ahaziah son of Jehoram of the House of David are feats of Jehu not Hazael according to The Bible in II Kings 9 and 10 (and it’s mentioned in II Chronicles as well). And the Seventy kings or princes probably refers to the 70 sons of Ahab in Samaria. That of course doesn’t matter to people who want to say The Bible is wrong.<br />
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If the Author named himself, that part of the inscription has not survived. There are three maybe four main reasons people think it was Hazael.<br />
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First that generally Dan is not believed to have been under Israel’s control at this time, having been lost to Aram-Damascus back in the days of Baasha, but 2 Kings 10:29 contradicts the assumption that Jehu never controlled Dan, verses 32 and 33 seem to imply it was parts of modern Jordan that Hazael took from Jehu. <br />
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Second is that the author says Hadad was the Deity who made him King. Now at face value this is an issue with The Biblical account either way as First and Second Kings says that YHWH via Elijah and Elisha made both Hazael and Jehu King. But even though Jehu did continue the idolatry of Jeroboam, his name seems to imply he wouldn’t have attributed his kingship to any god but YHWH, while the Bible itself associates Hadad worship with the Kings of Aram via naming many (both before and after Hazeal) BenHadad and Hadadezer.<br />
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Thing is the Baal Worshiping Ahab and Jezebel still gave YHWH theophoric names to their children. If Baal was the name the Stele used that would not fit Jehu who was strictly suppressing Baal worship. But Zechariah 12’s reference to the “mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo” suggests Hadad worship was also present in the very region where Jehu overthrew the House of Ahab. So Jehu may have been okay with using Hadad as an alternate name of YHWH.<br />
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Third is that the Author of the Stele seems to refer to earlier conflicts between the King of Israel and his father, and the Syrian Historian quoted by Josephus claims Hazael was a son of BenHadad. I think Hazael may well have publicly claimed to be a son of BenHadad in spite of how The Bible makes it seem pretty unlikely he actually was, but this is still not inherently inconsistent with Jehu. Jehu came from Gilead in the Trans-Jordan which may have often thought of itself as semi-independent. And the books of Kings repeatedly refers to there being more events then it records. Since Ramoth-Gilead was the site of the battle between Israel and Ben-Hadad, the father or grandfather of Jehu could have been an ally of BenHadad.<br />
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J-W Wesselius also argued the Stele was authored by Jehu.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-31156814877780450532018-03-30T19:22:00.000-05:002020-03-11T16:22:42.298-05:00Combining aspects of Rohl and Velikovsky.Well, I'm now probably <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2018/03/i-may-have-to-abandon-mizraim-in-arabia.html">moving away again from the Mizraim was in Arabia theory</a>.<br />
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As I've said before, even as I've become more critical of Velikovsky in terms of the 18th Dynasty, I've become more convinced then ever of his models for the 19th, 20th and 21st Dynasties.<br />
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I've been considering the Implications of keeping that aspect of Velikovsky while at the same time considering that Rohl may have been at least partly right in his view of the Amarna Letters.<br />
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Mutbaal as Ishbaal/Eshbaal has always been Rohl's strongest argument. Even conventionalists agree that Mutbaal also means Man of Baal. We have someone ruling mainly in the Trans-Jordan but who's father controlled Shechem, and with basically the same name. Too many perfect alignments to just ignore.<br />
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The name Labaya is suspected to be related to a Hebrew word usually translated Lion, <i>Labiy</i> <a href="http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB38.htm#S3833">Strong Number 3833</a>. The primary verse using this word I've seen so far cited to support it being a name for Saul is Psalm 57:4 which David wrote while on the run from Saul, and there it appears in a Plural form, Labaim. Sometimes the plural suffix is used of an individual in Hebrew as a sign of respect.<br />
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I however have been looking at Prophecies in the Torah, Genesis 49:9, Numbers 23:24 and Numbers 24:9, where two words for Lion get used, Ari and Labiy. Ari is definitely the Lion of Judah since only Ari is used in Micah 5:8, and Isaiah 29 uses Ariel (Lion of God) as a name for Zion, The City of David (<a href="https://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/08/bethlehem-was-zion-which-is-city-of.html">Which is Bethlehem</a>), and the Lions of Solomon's Throne were Ari. So I wonder if it's possible that in these prophecies the Ari is David and the Labiy is Saul?<br />
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Rohl doesn't seem to have an identity for Abdi-Heba the King of Jerusalem in the Amarna Letters. Probably because he assumed The Bible never names the Jebusite King of the region. But that's because English translations obscure that the Hebrew of 2 Kings 24:23 says Araunah was a King. And both accounts agree he was a Jebusite.<br />
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The fact that Abdi-Heba seems to have later started working with the same Hapiru that he'd complained about Labaya working with, is probably his alliance with David. It can be inferred from the Biblical Narrative that they were on friendly terms already even before the Plague happened.<br />
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Now one implication of combining those two views, is bringing us right back to the 22nd Dynasty seemingly being the era of Solomon, Jeroboam and Rehoboam. The starting point of Revised Chronology is usually saying that identification is obviously wrong.<br />
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Unless there is a forgotten dynasty, or forgotten final phase of the 18th, to come between the end of the Amarna period and the Libyan take over.<br />
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One criticism of the Shoshenq as Shishak view to come to me recently is that The Bible would have called Shosenk a Libyian (either by calling him a Lubim or of Phut). When it refers to the Nubian Dynasty ruler Taharka it calls him a Cushite King, and doesn't call him Pharaoh or even directly say that he rules Egypt.<br />
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And then there is the fact that even the conventional date for Shoshenq is too late for when I place the end of Solomon's Reign, being Ussher's date (975 BC) at the latest. Conventional Chronology places Ussher's date for Solomon's Death during the reign of Siamun of the 21st Dynasty.<br />
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This returns me to the mystery of how Manetho's 18th Dynasty does seem to last longer then Archeologists usually think. And has him seemingly recording Ramses Minaium twice, once as part of the 18th Dynasty and then in the 19th Dynasty. But Seti exists only in the 19th Dynasty account.<br />
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I still think Orus of Manetho is Akhenaten, and Rathotis is Tutankamun. And then Acheneres as Ay and finally Armasis'Harmais as Horemheb.<br />
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Rohl has Horemheb as the Pharaoh who's daughter Solomon Married, that adds up well. Since Labaya is now agreed to have probably died before Amenhotep III did, Horemheb was probably King when Solomon took the Throne 40 and one half years after Saul died. Still it's possible that even though he was King at the time the daughter Solomon married was one of Akhenetan's, or any woman who held the title "King's Daughter". Maybe Solomon wound up marrying the same Queen who had written to Suppiluliuma I?<br />
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That still leaves the Shishak question up in the air.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-61167638974440280962017-12-29T08:58:00.002-06:002019-05-15T07:45:28.015-05:00Jeroboam as LabayaI may possibly be done with this blog for awhile, partly for reasons explained on my Prophecy blog in <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/11/biblical-egypt-might-not-be-egypt.html"><u>Biblical Egypt may not be Egypt</u></a>. And the comparative mythology stuff I sometimes talk about here <a href="https://mithrandironmythology.blogspot.com/2017/12/introductory-post.html">I have a new blog for</a>.<br />
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But I'm by no means done with revised chronology completely, and so I'm making this post before 2017 ends to be a continually updated work in progress on a new theory I have for identifying Jeroboam with Labaya. I'm not 100% on it, but it's worth throwing out there.<br />
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Many revised Chronologists agree that Labaya is probably a northern Kingdom monarch. Thing is only Jeroboam had Shechem as his Capital, but other factors make people not consider Jeroboam a candidate.<br />
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Since I possibly no longer identify Shishak with Kemet (what we today call Egypt) but an Arabian king, those are not really a major problem for me anymore. Instead it could be Shishak's forces are those called the Hapiru who Labaya was apparently in cahoots with.<br />
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The Amarna period begins with the last decade of Amenhotep III's reign, and many do think Labaya died before Amenhotep III did. So the King of Jerusalem of the Amarna Letters would probably be Asa.<br />
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As far as the sons of Labaya go. That could be an issue since The Bible tells us Jeroboam's were all wiped out. But we don't know for sure how quickly that happened. The only Amarna Letters that refer to plural sons of Labaya are while Labaya's still alive. So it's only Mutbaal who might be an issue. Maybe it's not impossible Mutbaal was lying and only claiming to be a son of Labaya. But it's certainly possible Jeroboam placed a son as a governor in the Trans-Jordan, and that it took a little while for that one to be killed in the purge of Jeroboam's heirs. Jeroboam did have a Trans-Jordan fortress at Panuel which he could have placed a son in charge of.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-21453055678236299742017-09-01T04:06:00.002-05:002017-09-01T04:06:12.678-05:00This Blog isn't Dead<div dir="ltr" id="docs-internal-guid-08291225-3caf-c6ef-d081-bd92391f808d" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;">
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I’ll still be notified of any new comments left and still try to
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I do wind up making a new post because a burst of inspiration came to
me. That doesn’t likely mean I’ll be returning to making new posts
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<br /><span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">My </span><a href="http://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/" style="text-decoration: none;"><span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline;">Sola Scriptura Christian Liberty</span></a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;"> blog, and </span><a href="https://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/" style="text-decoration: none;"><span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline;">A Chronological View of Revelation</span></a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">, I’ll continue trying to add to at least once a month. And my main </span><a href="https://jaredmithrandirolorin.blogspot.com/" style="text-decoration: none;"><span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline;">JaredMithrandir-Olorin</span></a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;"> blog I'll likely be updating at least weekly.</span>Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-64179471108535365862017-08-01T05:33:00.003-05:002020-03-11T16:28:34.286-05:00A Theory about Troy<div dir="ltr" style="line-height: 1.38; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-top: 0pt;">
<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">When Troy fell is a common subject in revised Chronology. But Velikovsky also questions if the current proposed site of Troy fits the geography of Homer.</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">The myth of </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laomedon" style="text-decoration: none;"><span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline;">Laomedon</span></a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;"> (Priam’s father) and Herakles has been noted to strongly resemble that of Perseus and Joppa/Jaffa. A Princess being offered as a sacrifice to appease a Sea Monster, and a Greek Hero who’s a son of Zeus saves the day. The oldest version of the </span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Horse" style="text-decoration: none;"><span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline;">Trojan Horse</span></a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;"> legend also refers to a sea monster off the coast of Troy.</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Greek Mythology also has three Flood Legends. So it’s possible there are other cases of different myths based on the same historical inspiration, yet later given distinct points on the mythical timeline. So could Joppa and Troy be the same city? Or different cities of the same kingdom?</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Joppa is located in Israel, the Book of Jonah also affiliates it with a Sea Monster, (in the Septuagint and New Testament it’s referred to as Cetos). Which Kingdom it was part of during the Divided Kingdom period is difficult to tell, it possibly changed over time as the borders shifted, in Jonah it’s seemingly part of the North. And the story of Omri's rise to power implies the original Danite allotment was under the Norther's control since the north was battling the Philistines over Gibbethon.</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">The Prose Edda is just one of many examples of European Royalty claiming descent from Troy (many Norse and Anglo-Saxon royal houses traced their ancestry to Odin). It seems before British Israelism made Ephraim popular, it was Troy the nations of Western Europe sought to use to give themselves a more ancient/classical heritage. Virgil and Livy weren’t the first to connect Aeneas to Rome, Homer himself directly supports no such connection, but does imply people will descend from Aeneas. Nennius and Geoffrey of Monmouth further connects the Britons to Aeneas. Geoffrey of Tours traced the Franks back to Helenus and Andromache.</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">Or maybe Tyro is just one of these daughters, and the pagan mythology wanted to give divine parentage to two sons who really had the same father as the others. All the sons of Tyro by either are linked to Thessaly. But it’s also said Thessaly is where the Dorians were before migrating to the Peloponnese. Joshua associates Dor with three Tribes, Manasseh, Asher and Issachar. But logically Issachar’s connection could only be via his relationship with Zebulun, since Zebulun was east of Dor but west of Issachar. Maybe Cretheus/Ben-Abinadab as a brother of Sisyphus was a Manasseite, while the line of Dorus was either Asher and/or Zebulun.</span></div>
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<span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">And now as I’ve been reading more into the Oedipus and Akhnaton theory, I’ve come to see ways to make that fit. First I read </span><a href="http://www.hyksos.org/index.php?title=Oedipus,_Akhenaton,_and_the_Fall_of_Egyptian_Thebes" style="text-decoration: none;"><span style="background-color: transparent; color: #1155cc; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline;">this article doing the opposite of my theory</span></a><span style="background-color: transparent; color: black; font-family: "arial"; font-size: 11pt; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline;">, moving the 19th Dynasty from Velikovsky's position to immediately follow his dates for the 18, while using the Oedipus and Akhnaton theory. What’s interesting is how it uses much of Velikovsky's evidence for Horemheb being an Assyrian vassal, but while arguing for an earlier Assyrian conquest of Egypt.</span></div>
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Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-19342444064856746342017-06-10T15:21:00.002-05:002019-05-15T07:54:47.340-05:00Amazons and the Tribe of DanSince it's Wonder Woman month, I figure it's time I explore this idea I've been wanting to explore for awhile. (The embryo of this theory has been in my mind since before Gal Gadot was cast, so it's not just inspired by an Israeli actress playing Wonder Woman.)<br />
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At least one prior writer has looked into the possibly of a Lost Tribes connection for the Amazons, John R. Salverda. Salverda's many theories on Greek Mythology are something I want to do a separate post on in the future. For now I just want to comment that while I find his research useful much of it I feel is way off base. I do not identify Myrina with Mariam. Also Salverda is very anti-Feminist, talking about how "Hebrew Women saved the ancient world from Amazonian Feminism", I however feel part of the intent of the New Testament <a href="http://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2016/08/paul-said-there-is-neither-male-of.html">is to save the world from Patriarchy</a>. And that the Prophetess Office held by Mariam is the same one later held by Deborah, and other Prophetesses of the Hebrew Bible all the way down to Anna at the Birth of Christ, and now since Pentecost by many Christian women starting with the Daughters of Philip. Mariam and her group of Women were not sinning, <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2014/09/almah-means-virgin.html">in fact I feel they are vital to understanding the importance of the word Almah</a>.<br />
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The Geography of the Amazons is a complicated matter. In Homer they were in Lycia or west of Lycia when encountered by Bellerphon. The stories of their encounters with Herakles and Theseus focus on the Thermodon river south of the Black Sea near Pontus. Herodotus says they later migrated north of the Black Sea and intermarried with Scythians. The legends surrounding queens Marpesia, Lysippe, Lampedo, Hippo and Otheria connect them to the founding of cities like Ephesus and Smyrna and to eastern Aegean islands like Lemnos, Lesbos and Samothrace. Hypsipyle encountered by Jason and the Argonaughts on Lemnos I think was another Amazon queen and the usual origin story for her women was a made up myth.<br />
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Allied with the Amazons mentioned in the Iliad were the Solymi. Josephus in Against Apion argues the Solymi mentioned by Herodotus as being in Xerxes army were Jews. William Whiston in his footnotes for his translation agrees with that by contrasting them with other Solymi he feels were pagan gentiles. But if those Solymi were Danites rather then Judeans then they were similar yet different, and had fallen into Idolatry.<br />
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East of Lycia takes us to Cilicia and Adana, definitely early Denyen colonies. And winding up north of the Black Sea takes them to the Danube. So Geographically there is good reason to see the Amazons as a Danite offshoot. And lots of notable Danites of the Bible seem to be Danites mater-lineally, like Huram or the incident in Leviticus 24. But perhaps the real key to this mystery is looking into who the Goddess of the Amazons was.<br />
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Greek sources on their Goddess(es) are confusing. It's often said to be Artemis but some researches say that was a late development of the classical writers. Their Queens are often called Daughters of Ares yet that was a male deity.<br />
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The Caananite/West Semitic deity who served the function of Ares, as god of War, was a female, the goddess Anath. This caused attempts of the Greeks to identify her with one of their Goddesses to be similarly complicated. Her status as a Virgin goddess invited comparisons with both Athena and Artemis, but her association with the Bow and Arrow makes Artemis a bit more popular. In the middle east direct analogues to Anath are easier to find, Tanith/Tanis among the Carthaginians and Libyians, Neith in Egypt (but perhaps also Nephethys/Nebtheth). And it's also possible to see some of Anath in the Hindu Kali.<br />
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The name of Anath, or at least the same Semitic root it comes from, appears in The Hebrew Bible. Like in the location Anathoth. But in Judges an Anath is the parent of judge Shamgar. Not much is said about Shamgar, but the vague similarities to Samson can encourage one to see him as another Danite. Since I agree with Veilikvosky in dating the Ugarit texts to the Kingdom Period, maybe the origin of Anath was in part a deification of the much earlier mother of Shamgar? But it's also theorized that "Ben Anath" may just have been a title for great warriors, paralleling theories about why Amazons were called daughters of Ares.<br />
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In <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anat#In_Ugarit">the Ugarit texts</a>, the most important narrative for Anath after her role in the Baal Cycle is in the legend about <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danel">Danel</a> and his children. Danel is a name very likely related to Dan, maybe it could be Dan himself deified by his descendants, combining Dan and El. Anath kills Danel's son Aghat because she wanted his Bow forged by Kothar-Wa-Khasis (who the Greeks would have identified with Hephaestus, also strongly linked to Lemnos) by sending Yatpan after him. But it seems Aghat's death was not her intent. The protagonist of the story then becomes Paghat, the younger sister of Aghat, she sets out to avenge her brother. The narrative is incomplete, some scholars have theorized Paghat and Anath would be reconciled in the end, with Yatpan as their common enemy. Maybe the story would have ended with Paghat founding an Amazon tribe?<br />
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Myrina and the Libyian Amazons of Diodorus I believe were not Israelites but from Phut. Diodorus sees no continuity between the Libyan Amazons and later Amazons of Asia Minor even though he says Myrina conquered all those same regions. However a key distinction with the Libyan Amazons is they worshiped a different kind of Goddess seemingly, a mother Goddess like Cybele. Also in the context of Myrina's story, I think maybe the Gorgons/Gorgos were an offshoot of the Girgashite tribe of Canaan.<br />
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The Artemis of Ephesus is sometimes said to be a mother goddess, sort of Artemis fused with Cybele. But this is based on the common assumption the images of the Ephesian Artemis are of a woman with countless breasts. I prefer the theory that that is Bee Hive imagery rather then breasts. And the Bee Hive imagery can further back up a Danite connection thanks to Samson.<br />
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Some texts, including maybe the Iliad itself, imply Dardanus was a consort of Myrina. So Myrina's Amazons could have intermarried with Danites. But it's also possible some Danite women later starting their own tribe drew inspiration from the earlier legacy of Myrina.<br />
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Because of revised Chronology concerning the Dark Ages of Greece, and my belief that Homer merged together different Trojan wars. I think Myrina and Dardanus can be re-dated to the 900s BC (the traditional date for Dardanus becoming King is 1475 BC). Herakles and Bellerphon to the 700s BC, and Perseus to the early 700s or late 800s. And the final fall of Troy to about 678 or the 660s BC.<br />
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For the most part I still date Theseus to the 1200s BC, due to the unbroken chronology of Athenian Kings and Archons. And that that time period becomes in Revised Chronology the Minoan rather then Mycenean age archeologically fits the story of Theseus and Minos even better. But perhaps the particular myths about Theseus and Antiope and Hippolytus were about some Athenian from the 800s BC that got applied to Theseus later. In fact it's unlikely the same Theseus could have married another Minoan princess, Phaedra, after abandoning Ariadne. Or maybe this story originally involved a prince of a different City-State in Attica.<br />
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A lot of modern treatments of Norse Mythology (including Marvel comics and the MCU's Thor franchise) treat the Valkyries as being like the Amazons of Norse Mythology. But that is not at all what the Valkyreis actually were, they were basically the same thing as the Houris from Islamic belief, beautiful women who serve fallen warriors in paradise. Instead I think maybe the Vanir were Amazons, what we know about the Vanir is greatly distorted, but it is possible all the wives of the AEsir gods were Vanir.<br />
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The myths of the AEsir and Vanir being at war and later intermarrying I think are partly inspired by two Ancient tribes warring then coming together. The AEsir I think descend from Ashkenaz, who were the Askuza of Assyrian records and once dwelt around Lake Ascanius, thus making them Phyrgians during the Trogan War. Another group of people in Phyrgia yet also treated as distinct were the Mygdons. The name Mygdon could come from Megiddo/Megiddon. Mygdon of Greek mythology's mother had an Amazonina name, Anaxineme, but he's also said to have waged war with the Amazons.<br />
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The descendants of Ashkenaz are sometimes said to have been Scythians ( a term the Greeks used of all the tribes north of the Black Sea, so not necessarily all from the same Genesis 10 ancestor). And Herodotus says the Amazons intermarried with Scythians at some point.<br />
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I think a number of women in Greek Mythology not usually labeled Amazons are given away to have been Amazons or of Amazonian ancestry by their names. Including Adromache wife of Hector. In the oldest depictions Andromache not Hippolyta was the name of the Amazon Queen defeated by Herakles.<br />
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One such name is Clymene, an attested Amazon name in at least one source. But a name given to some Aquatic Nymphs, including the wife of Deucalian. But is also the name of a mother of Atalanta, who's not considered an Amazon but is thematically similar given her connection to Artemis and being the only woman among the Argonauts. And her father was Iasus, a name I think cold be a more archaic Greek form of Yehoshua/Yeshua, which in Koin Greek becomes Iesous.<br />
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Myrtilus's mother is said variantly both to be an Amazon and a Daughter of Danaus.<br />
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The folk Etymology of Amazon meaning "one Breast" and that they had to cut one off to use a Bow and Arrow properly has long annoyed me. It super annoyed me when I was reading the first <u>House of Night</u> book and a teacher is talking specifically about many claims the Greeks made about Amazons being wrong, but then states the "one Breast" story as fact. All artistic depictions of Amazons show them with both Breasts.<br />
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But what caught my attention lately, as I've been watching an endless amount of Anime, is it seems in Japanese School Archery Clubs, the females wear costumes that kinda resemble Miko costumes but with different coloring. But also have a sort of protective covering over the breasts, which could maybe make it look kinda like they have one larger breast rather then two. Perhaps it hurts my Otaku cred that I don't know what this thing is properly called. This is interesting since I support some theories about <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2016/01/did-lost-tribes-go-to-japan.html">Lost Tribes coming to Japan</a>.<br />
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On the subject of anthropologically speculating on what a hypothetical Matriarchal society might be like. One area where I feel it would be flawed to assume it'd be the exact gender flip of most patriarchal societies is in how it practiced Polygamy. In the Pre-Christian world the only societies that frowned on Polygamy were Greece and later Rome who borrowed from Greece. It may be the the devotion to Monogamy in the Christian world is largely another Greco-Roman rather then Hebrew influence.<br />
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Polygyny has been far more common then Polyandry. But there have been Polyandrous cultures that were still very patriarchal in how they practiced it, still viewing the woman as property just as shared property. The difference between Polygynus cultures and Polandrous cultures was whether their situation needed them to encourage or discourage rapid reproduction.<br />
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In The Bible the followers of YHWH are told to be fruitful and multiple. But the Leverite marriage custom could provide a basis for allowing conditional Fraternal Polyandry.<br />
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So I suspect even a Matriarchal culture would still have encouraged men to have multiple sexual partners. But how it was practiced would have been different.<br />
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Of course the Amazons are generally seen as not practicing Marriage as we'd think of it at all. But mating either with foreigners or with the Gargareans.<br />
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It's also maybe not a coincidence that many goddesses associated with the Amazons, like most ancient Virgin Goddesses, were also associated with Lesbianism. This is perhaps most well documented with Artemis. But there is possibly homoerotic subtexts in myths about Anath too, her relationships with Shapash and Astarte, and again we don't know how Paghat's story ends.<br />
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Another interesting clue just came to my attention. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonia_(mythology)">Harmonia</a> is a name given in Greek Mythology to both the woman by whom Ares fathered the Amazons (though Otrera is said to be both Ares daughter and mother by him of other Amazons) and the wife of Cadmus and mother of his children. Cadmus was originally a Sidonian Prince, we know from The Bible that they intermarried with Danites often. It's also said that some Amazons became Meaneds of Dionysus. Three of the Meaneds were daughters of Cadmus. Eurypyle is the name of both a Meaned and an Amazon.<br />
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In Judges 9:50-57 a <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_of_Thebez">Woman of Thebez</a> killed King Abimelech. Veilikvosky talked about there being two ancient cities named Thebes, well in The Bible we have a third. Perhaps originally this was the Thebes of Cadmus. Perhaps the traditional identification of Biblical Thebez with modern Tubas is off and it was really further north? What if Thebez could be part of the region elsewhere refereed to as Geshur? (Usually placed in the Golan Heights.) Geshur had a King named Talmai who's daughter married King David. Talmai is also the Aramaic form of the name Ptolemy. And one of the Kings of Thebes of Greek mythology was a Ptolemy. This is the only Ptolemy of Greek mythology, the other examples of the name don't pop up till later Classical history.<br />
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Psalm 68:14-16 uses Zalmon in a way that could support it being another name for Bashan, which was near Gesher. It could be the Tower of Shechem wasn't in Shechem proper s we think of it. The Etymology of Megiddo is no agreed on. When Herodotus refers to the Battle of Megiddo that involved Necho, he called it Magdolos, which could support it being derivative of Migdal, the Hebrew word for Tower, including when Judges 9 refers to the Tower of Shechem. Shechem and Megiddo are both connected to Western Manasseh, while Geshur and Bashan were both allotted to Eastern Manasseh. But after Dan left their original allotment for the northern Dan, they took over much land originally allotted to Naphtali and Eastern Manasseh. Deuteronomy 33 prophetically says Dan would leap from Bashan.<br />
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Or maybe I should even rethink my position on Myrina. Another Myrina in Greek Mythology was a daughter of Cretheus, who also had a daughter named Hippolyte. And Cretheus was a brother of Sisyphus and Salmoneus who Salverda argues for identifying with Joseph and Judah. And the Myrina of Cretheus was the wife of Thoas father of Hypsipyle. The starting point of Queen Myrina's story being in Libya is the connection to Mont Atlas, but Salverda argues for Atlas being Sinai, which <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/01/sinai-in-yemen.html">I view as Sana'a in Yemen</a>. A Middle Eastern location fits better for my Gorgons=Girgashites hunch. And linking the Amazons to Arabia fits well with my <a href="https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-feminism-of-ancient-arabia.html">Feminism of Pre-Islamic Arabia</a> observations. Also King Lycurgus is sometimes alternatively placed in Arabia.<br />
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Hippolyta I think was a title or throne name many or maybe even all Amazon Queens held, and that is part of what confused the Amazons history chronologically.<br />
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There were probably multiple people behind the legends of Herakles.
Him being sometimes the father of Romulus and Remus fits Velikvosky's
date for the final fall of Troy by giving us a Hercules in the 700s BC.<br />
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But
I want to pay close attention to the myths about Herakles and Omphale.
The Lydians called the father of Omphale's children Tylons, clearly he
was a distinct national hero of Lydia the Greeks just identified with
Herakles similarly to how they did Melkart of Tyre and others.<br />
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Omphale
herself was the daughter of a river god, Iardanus. That is clearly the
Jordon, the Strongs explains that the name of Jordon comes from the
same root as my name, Jared, which the Greek of Luke 3 renders Iared.<br />
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Some
of the accounts of the Kings of Lydia say the descendants of Herakles
and Omphale took over a few generations later, and weren't the immediate
children of them. This can very much support the idea that Herakles and
Omphale's relationship originally took place elsewhere.<br />
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I have argued that <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/10/delilah-was-israelite-not-philistine.html">Delilah was an Israelite not a Philistine</a>.
While at the same time arguing she was the mother of Micah in chapter
17. Maybe Herakles and Omphale were inspired by Samson and Delilah, and
the dynasty that ruled Lydia before Gyges took over were of Danite
ancestry?<br />
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A brief summery of my proposed Amazon chronology.<br />
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Myrina conquers much of Syria and Turkey in the early 900s BC. <br />
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Lysippe becomes a key founder of the Thermodon Amazon nation.<br />
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Marpesia, her sister Lampedo, and Hippo are the successors of Lysippe. They conquer more land and found more cities.<br />
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Antiope and Orithyia are the successors of Marpesia. Antiope is captured by an Athenian (but not the original Theseus) and marries him. Othyria then leads an Amazon expedition against Athens. Antiope is killed in the battle by the Amazon Molpadia, why isn't agreed on.<br />
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Eurypyle campaigns against Samshi-Adad V, (husband of Shammuramat (Semiramis) and so might have become confused with Ninus) with an all female army.<br />
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Otrera was the Amazon Queen defeated by Bellerphon.<br />
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Andromache is defeated by a Herakles, as well as her sister Melanippe.<br />
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Priam and Mygdon fight against Amazons in the same region Bellerphon did earlier. <br />
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Pentheselia is an ally of Priam during the 7th Century BC Trojan War. She was the sister rather then daughter of her predecessor.<br />
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Antianeira succeeds Pentheselia.<br />
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The Thermodon Amazons migrate north of the Black Sea.<br />
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Since I've argued reasons to possibly place Myrina's Queendom in Arabia, maybe even specifically Yemen. And also for making her contemporary with Solomon, or nearly. Maybe it's not implausible to connect her to the Biblical <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/04/hatshepsut-as-queen-of-sheba-i-disagree.html">Queen of Sheba</a>? The same Queen or perhaps her Daughter? I've mentioned <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/04/did-magiwise-men-really-come-from.html">on this blog before</a> traditions that say Sheba was ruled solely by Queens for over a Thousand years, before the Patriarchal Kings List starts in the 8th Century BC.<br />
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Maybe even her home city/island in the Marsh being eventually submerged could have something to do with the history of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marib_Dam">Marib Dam</a>. The Dam as we generally knowm it was constructed in the 8th Century BC. Dams being constructed often result in other areas being submerged.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-78637584465203359232017-06-01T19:20:00.001-05:002019-05-28T03:49:26.616-05:00Dan and BaalbekI talked about Dan a great deal in an early post of this Blog. <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-tribe-of-dan-and-sea-peoples.html">The Tribe of Dan and the Sea Peoples</a>, some aspects of that I've changed my mind on as shown in <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/11/cush-africa-and-arabia.html">my post about Cush</a> and in <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-sea-peoples-and-lost-tribes.html">The Lost Tribes and the Sea Peoples</a>.<br />
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While a great deal of what I said in that post is still important to me. I've now changed my mind on the details of it even more as I've come to agree with Velikovsky on <a href="http://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/baalbek.htm">the Dan of Jeroboam's Calf being Baalbek</a>.<br />
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The key change being that I can no longer necessarily agree with my past assessment (taken from Birtam) that the Leshem-Dan of Joshua and Laish-Dan of Judges are different places. Or at least if they are somewhat different not nearly so far away from each other. Maybe they could still be different migrations to basically the same area.<br />
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I do not associate Danites with less locations however. From this site they migrated and scattered further. Moses foretold they would Leap from Bashan. So I still think they are tied to the Danuna/Denyen of the Sea Peoples as well as Adana in Turkey.<br />
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Actually the reason for this change from my earlier view is entirety because my initial view was Leshem-Dan became Jerobaom's and an idiom for Israel's Northern Border. While Velikovsky's here firmly identifies Jeroboam's Dan with Laish-Dan. Leshem has a lot less said about it however, it's not associated with the Hamath or Rehob. Many people are confused by Moses association of Dan with Bashan in Deuteronomy 33 since it's south of even Tel-Dan and usually associated with Eastern Manasseh and generally placed in the Golan Heights. Tel-Dan is in the Golan Heights, just way up North.<br />
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However I can't agree with Velikovsky's desire to diminish how Roman the site of Baalbek we know today is. Chris White in <u>Ancient Aliens Debunked</u> thoroughly proves how Roman it is. And it had the same Architect as the one who designed Hadrian's Temple Complex over the Temple Mount. A fact relevant to making the Southern Conjecture argument.<br />
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However it perhaps adds interesting context to Hadrian building these two complexes at the same time, if Baalbek was the Dan of Jeroboam, maybe he wanted to leave his mark on the Holy Sites of both Kingdoms of Israel?Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-14707135594619016622017-05-06T18:54:00.000-05:002019-05-20T17:44:47.439-05:00Orion, Osiris, Nimrod, Set, SothisAmongst the misinformation floating around about Nimrod out there, are claims he can be identified with both Orion and Osiris. Osiris is linked to Orion, but I think that is about the extent of the reason Nimrod is linked to Osiris.<br />
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In my main <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-bible-never-says-nimrod-was-evil.html"><u>The Bible never says Nimrod was evil</u></a> post I talked a bit about this. How The Bible also calls Esau a Hunter, and so the name Seir being linked to Osiris (I was not been able to independently verify it being linked to Orion) makes an Esau connection more likely then Nimrod. Then I did <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/05/osiris-and-horus-may-be-mentioned-in.html">my post on Osiris and Seir</a>.<br />
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I've done some more research on this since however. <br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sah_(god)">Sah</a> is the name the Egyptians gave Orion, and he was frequently identified with Osiris.<br />
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BTW, one of the reasons I've become so skeptical of my old belief in Gospel in the Stars/Mazzroth theories is because the claim that what the Constellations are is universal is actually quite wrong. Not only are they totally different as far away from Greece as China and Japan and even India. But even the other Mediterranean cultures were not as consistent with the Constellations we're used to (which is basically the Greek's view of them as adapted by the Romans) as people like to assume.<br />
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In this case. I've seen it pointed out that Orion was the only Constellation that the Egyptians had in common with the Greeks. But even then, Sah is never defined as a Hunter, neither is Osiris. The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(constellation)#Ancient_Near_East">Mesopotamians didn't call Orion a Hunter either</a>, they called him "The Heavenly Shepherd" or "True Shepherd of Anu". It seems to be <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canis_Major#History_and_mythology">Canis Major</a> they viewed as a Hunter (Ninurta) firing an arrow (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius">Sirius</a>) at Orion, so Orion was the hunted.<br />
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It is worth noting though the etymology of the name Sirius may come form Seir. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#Etymology_and_cultural_significance">From Wikipedia</a>.<br />
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The most commonly used proper name of this star comes from the Latin <i>Sīrius</i>, from the Ancient Greek <i>Σείριος</i> (<i>Seirios</i>, "glowing" or "scorcher"),<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Liddell1980_116-0"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#cite_note-Liddell1980-116">[112]</a></sup> although the Greek word itself may have been imported from elsewhere before the Archaic period,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Holberg2007-15-16_117-0"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius#cite_note-Holberg2007-15-16-117">[113]</a></sup></blockquote>
Another claim about the Egyptian view of the stars you see a lot is that Sothis (the Greek form of the Egyptian name for Sirius) was Set/Seth. Actually Sothis being a Greek Corruption of the name <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopdet">Sopdet</a>, was their name for Sirius but it was viewed as feminine and identified with Isis. The child of Sah and Spodet was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sopdu">Sopdu</a>, who was identified with Horus and according to some hard to verify sources <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/04/venus-could-be-star-of-bethlehem.html">the planet Venus</a>.<br />
<br />
So be aware that there is a lot of misinformation out there when studying these topics.<br />
<br />
Another astronomical mystery is what Star was refereed to as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_(Babylonian_astronomy)">Nibiru</a>, also spelled Neberu or Nebiru. The whole Planet X mythology is easily debunkable nonsense, but the name does come from Babylonian texts. Some think it refereed to Jupiter, others have speculated various stars in the Constellations. Certain references to it seem an awful lot like Polaris, but that star wasn't always exactly where it is now, it used to be the entire Constellation of Ursa Minor was what sailors used, not one specific star. The Mesopotamians called Ursa Minor the Wagon of Heaven and associated it with Enlil.<br />
<br />
Interestingly the Mesopotamian city commonly called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippur">Nippur</a> was in Sumerian called Nibru and in Akkadian Nibbur. Nippur was home to the main Sumerian Temple dedicated to Enlil.<br />
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The Septuagint renders Nimrod as <i>Nebrod</i>. Why the M would become a B I can't figure out. In our Greek texts of Josephus a similar thing happens, it becomes <i>Nabrodes</i> in <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0145%3Abook%3D1%3Awhiston+chapter%3D4%3Awhiston+section%3D2">Antiquities Chapter 2 Section 2</a>, and <i>Nabrodou</i> in <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0145%3Abook%3D1%3Awhiston+chapter%3D4%3Awhiston+section%3D3">Section 3</a>. So perhaps there is a relationship there.<br />
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Our main references to Nibiru associate it with Marduk/Merodach. But Marduk actually develops late in the history of Babylonian religion, or at least doesn't become a lead god till late, being largely popularized by the first Nebuchadezzar, conventionally dated to 1125-1104 BC, but some revised Chronologists have moved him later. In this later development he takes over many of the traits and functions that originally belonged to Enlil, but Marduk was a son of Enlil's rival and brother Enki. Nippur was the chief center of the worship of Enlil. So I think Marduk usurped Nibiru from Enlil. Perhaps symbolic of Satan's desire to claim Nimrod served him rather then Yahuah.<br />
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Dumuzid was possibly another son of Enki. Dumuzid was also called The Shepherd, so he might have been associated with Orion who was the Shepherd to the Babylonians. Which links him to the same Constellation Osiris was. And like Osiris he is the King who reigns in The Underworld.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-17502711122367057022017-04-02T00:11:00.000-05:002017-08-05T09:47:49.029-05:00Jerusalem and Zion, Which is The City of DavidAn argument can be made that the account of how Jerusalem came under
David's control (2 Samuel 5:6-9 and 1 Chronicles 11:4-8) makes more
sense if Jebus and "Zion which is the City of David" are separate
cities. He had to take one first to conquer the other. And this fits
later references to the two locations in the time of Solomon also. The
Ark was brought out of the City of David to The Temple, and likewise the
Daughter of Pharaoh was brought out of the City of David to Solomon's
house. It
looks like after the Jebusites chose to resist, David simply chose the
fortress of Zion
to be the base of his campaign against Jebus.<br />
<br />
It might be that Jerusalem is sometimes used broadly of an entire
district, but when used specifically of a single City it's just Jebus.
Some references to Jerusalem and Zion in the same verse often taken to
verify their being synonymous, can also work as listing separate cities
side by side. Like Isaiah 64:10 which says cities, plural, then lists
Jerusalem and Zion. But since Zion also arguably has both a poetic
broader application and a more specific one, perhaps it fits when paired
with Jerusalem, two names that refer to different specific cities but
basically the same area when applied broadly. Psalm 76:2 also makes
sense as referring to Salem and Zion as separate cities.<br />
<br />
It's possible sometimes Jerusalem and Zion are paired together to
represent the two tribes of the Southern Kingdom, Benjamin and Judah,
Psalm 78:68 says Zion is a mount of Judah. Which can in turn be taken back more broadly to represent both wives of Jacob, Benjamin from Rachel and Judah from Leah.<br />
<br />
And perhaps David's design for this area was
similar in intent to the original plan for Washington DC, taking parts
of both Maryland and Virginia to create a capital District. Isaiah
24:23 refers to Yahuah ruling in Zion and in Jerusalem, as if they are
separate.<br />
<br />
One question that might pop into your mind from the idea of separating
Jerusalem from the City of David is, which city then is Ariel in Isaiah
29? "Where David dwelt" could apply to both but arguably fits the City
of David better. And Zion is mentioned explicitly. Also Ariel means
"Lion of God", that fits it being a Judean rather then Benjamite city,
as Judah is the Lion in Genesis 49. Other tribes (Gad and Dan) are associated with
Lions elsewhere (Deuteronomy 33), but not Benjamin.<br />
<br />
I think the house David built with materials provided by Hiram of Tyre
was in Jebus/Jerusalem, where he lived and had children with his wives
from
Jerusalem, and that could be the same archeological site it's usually
associated with. But the Fort of Zion was in the City of David, that
fort already existed.<br />
<br />
Ophel is a place-name linked to the Gihon once. It's a Hebrew word for Tent
sometimes used of the The Tabernacle, and in the KJV is translated "
tabernacle", so it may not always refer to the same place. Maybe the
Ophel in the City of David could have been where David's Tabernacle was?<br />
<br />
Only 2 Chronicles 1:4 says David pitched a Tent for the Ark in Jerusalem
rather then Zion or the CIty of David. First off the books of
Chronicles probably entered their final form later, so a broader
definition of what qualifies as Jerusalem may make more sense there.
But also this reference comes after David had purchased Moriah, so maybe
the Ark did some moving around during this period.<br />
<br />
I think Jerusalem is usually the City called the Daughter of Zion or Daughter of Sion. But "daughter of ____" can sometimes refer to a separate City that is related in some way. Like Tyre being the Daughter of Sidon/Zidon in Isaiah 23:12. And the Daughter of Babylon I think is likely Hammurabi/Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon, the daughter of <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/03/nimrod-and-babel-identified-part-1.html">the original Babel which was Eridu</a>.<br />
<br />
The City we usually call Jerusalem I feel is obviously the Jerusalem of
the The Gospels & Acts and thus the Jebus of the Hebrew Bible.
Where Solomon and Zerubabel/Herod's Temples were built. So where then
is the City of David and Mount Zion?<br />
<br />
Luke Chapter 2 in verses 4 and 11 calls Bethlehem the City of David, and
endless Christian commentaries try to explain why this doesn't
contradict the Hebrew Bible's City of David being Jerusalem by saying
both could be described that way. Yet we're supposed to use Scripture
to interpret Scripture, and Luke said "The" not "a". And Christians
view the New Testament as revealing and clarifying the "Old Testament".
This argument would not convince Jews or other non Christians of
course, so fortunately I have some directly from the Hebrew Scriptures.<br />
<br />
1 Samuel 20:6 when speaking of David refers to Bethlehem as "his city",
that predates the exact phrase "City of David' ever occurring. When you
think about it this should always have been obvious, the hometown of
David is the City of David. To go back to a previous point, Bethlehem
was in Judah.<br />
<br />
If you object, "David had to capture his own home town?" remember what I
said above, in my theory Zion didn't need to be captured, it was the
base of operations for capturing Jebus. Bethlehem is also in a
mountainous region, in fact it's elevated higher then Jerusalem.
Perhaps the Gihon was the spring now known as the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Pools#Springs_feeding_the_pools">Spring of Etam</a>, or Atan?<br />
<br />
It's interesting to note that <a href="http://skepticism.org/timeline/june-history/6342-bethlehems-citizens-plead-tancred-bouillon-protect-them-against-crusaders.html">the Crusaders also captured Bethlehem first</a>,
Godfrey sent Tancred to take it, then they used it as a base in their
siege of Jerusalem. Lots of people overlook this detail of the Crusades,
but once you're aware of how Bethlehem is elevated higher then
Jerusalem, you realize it is ideal to secure that area first if you want
to siege Jerusalem.<br />
<br />
Micah 5:2 is the key Prophecy that The Messiah would be born in
Bethlehem. But remember the Chapter divisions were not in the original
text, and Micah 5 does sound like it's starting in the middle of
something. Micah mentions Zion constantly, particularly in chapter 4. <br />
<br />
The first time Bethlehem is mentioned it is home to the Tower of Edar
in Genesis 35:20-21. Micah 4:8 refers to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migdal_Eder_%28biblical_location%29">Tower of Edar</a>
(Tower of The
Flock in the KJV) as the Stronghold of Zion. Then later refers to
Jerusalem arguably as a separate city. Some traditions say it was from
the Migdol Eder that the Angel announced the Birth of Jesus to the
Shepherds.<br />
<br />
Psalm 132 mentions Ephratah in a context that seems to place the
Tabernacle (Ophel) and The Ark there. And it is a Davidic Psalm. The City of David housed
the Tabernacle of David and The Ark during most of David's reign. And that Psalm also uses the name Zion.<br />
<br />
2 Samuel 2:32 says David's nephew Asahel was buried in Bethlehem in the
sepulcher of his father. Kings of the House of David are repeatedly
refereed to as being buried in the City of David, and resting with their
fathers. Starting with David himself in 1 Kings 2:10 being buried with
his father in the City of David (Acts 13:36 also says David was buried
with his fathers). And it turns out Bethlehem does have a site with a
tradition of being <a href="http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/king_davids_wells.html">where David was buried</a>. Or the Kings might have been among those buried in the Bronze Age caves built <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efrat#History">where modern Efrat is</a>.<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Tomb">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David's_Tomb</a> " In the 4th century CE, he and his father Jesse were believed to be buried in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem" title="Bethlehem">Bethlehem</a>. The idea he was entombed on what was later called Mt Zion dates to the 9th century CE." <span class="reference-text">Rabbi Dr. Ari Zivotofsky, <a class="external text" href="http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/where-is-king-david-really-buried/2014/05/15/0/" rel="nofollow">'Where is King David Really Buried?,'</a> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jewish_Press" title="The Jewish Press">The Jewish Press</a>, May 15th 2014.</span> "By the mid-fourth century, the tombs of King David and his father,
Jesse, are described as being in Beit Lechem.[See Limor, “King David’s Tomb.”] The first mention of
Mount Zion as King David’s final resting place was in the ninth century". <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Tomb#Question_of_authenticity">Back to Wikipedia</a> "4th century <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itinerarium_Burdigalense" title="Itinerarium Burdigalense">Pilgrim of Bordeaux</a> reports that he discovered David to be buried in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem" title="Bethlehem">Bethlehem</a>, in a vault that also contained the tombs of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezekiel" title="Ezekiel">Ezekiel</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse" title="Jesse">Jesse</a>, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon" title="Solomon">Solomon</a>, <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_%28Bible%29" title="Job (Bible)">Job</a>, and <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asaph_%28Bible%29" title="Asaph (Bible)">Asaph</a>, with those names carved into the tomb walls."...[<span class="reference-text">Ora Limor, "The Origins of a Tradition: King David's Tomb on Mount Zion," <i>Traditio</i> 44 (1988): 459.</span>] "Having initially revered David's tomb in Bethlehem, Muslims began to
venerate it on Mount Zion instead but no earlier than the 10th century
following the Christian (and possibly Jewish) lead. In the twelfth
century, Jewish pilgrim Benjamin of Tudela recounted a somewhat fanciful
tale of workmen accidentally discovering the tomb of David on Mount
Zion."</blockquote>
Asahel was a maternal Nephew which makes the above argument not quite a
slam dunk exactly. But his father is never identified. And all three
of Zeruiah's children are called sons of Zeruiah rather then by their
father. That makes it possible they may have been born out of wedlock
and so mostly treated as part of Jesse's family. Either way being
buried in Bethlehem means, if it was his direct father he was buried
with, he was one from the same city and so probably at least the same
Tribe. That David's nephews were so important to him means he may have
insisted they be buried as part of the royal family.<br />
<br />
Some kings are assumed to not be buried with the others in the City of
David however. Manasseh and Amon were buried in the Garden of Uzza or
Uzzah, in 2 Kings 21. Manasseh is still said to have "slept with his
fathers", however that terminology is arguably more vague being
sometimes just used of death in general. But, Uzzah was also the name
of the person who died from touching the Ark as it was transported to
the City of David, and David named a location after this Uzzah, <a href="http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB65.htm#S6560">Perezuzzah</a>.
And another Uzza is listed in 1 Chronicles 6:29 as a Levite who was
appointed a Musician in the Tabernacle of David. So the name of Uzza
can be linked to the City of David.<br />
<br />
Jehoram was buried in the City of David but not with the other kings
because of the condition he died in according to 2 Chronicles 21:20. 2
Chronicles 24:25 has a similar situation with Joash. Jehoiada, a priest
who married Jehosheba, a daughter of Jehoram, is refereed to as being
buried among the Kings in the City of David in 2 Chronicles 24:16. So
that adds more context to the Asahel situation.<br />
<br />
Another King explicitly said not to be Buried with the others was Ahaz
in 2 Chronicles 28:27, and this time it doesn't mention the City of
David but says he was buried in Jerusalem. Maybe where he was buried
could be a clue to Manesseh and Amon's Garden of Uzza.<br />
<br />
The name of Uzza/Uzzah here could be a variation of Uzziah, another name
of King Azariah. This king was originally buried "in the field of the
burial which belonged to the kings" (2 Kings 15:7; 2 Chr. 26:23), but...
that leads us to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzziah#Uzziah_Tablet">the Uzziah Tablet</a>.<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
In 1931 an archeological find, now known as the Uzziah Tablet, was discovered by Professor <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleazar_Sukenik" title="Eleazar Sukenik">E.L. Sukenik</a> of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_University_of_Jerusalem" title="Hebrew University of Jerusalem">Hebrew University of Jerusalem</a>. He came across the artifact in a Russian convent collection from the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_of_Olives" title="Mount of Olives">Mount of Olives</a>.
The origin of the tablet previous to this remains unknown and was not
documented by the convent. The inscription on the tablet is written in
an Aramaic dialect very similar to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Aramaic" title="Biblical Aramaic">Biblical Aramaic</a>.
According to its script, it is dated to around AD 30-70, around 700
years after the supposed death of Uzziah of 2 Kings and 2 Chronicles.
Nevertheless, the inscription is translated, "Hither were brought the
bones of Uzziah, king of Judah. Not to be opened." It is open to debate
whether this tablet really was part of the tomb of King Uzziah or simply
a later creation. It may be that there was a later reburial of Uzziah
here during the <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple_Period" title="Second Temple Period">Second Temple Period</a>.</blockquote>
Being buried on <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/02/the-mount-of-olives-crucifixion-model.html">the Mount of Olives</a>, is pretty interesting.<br />
<br />
It may also be interesting to note that a Bethlehem site is believed to be where Herod was buried, the <a href="http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/herodion.html">Herodion</a>. And Herod's Official Biographer claimed him to be of Davidic ancestry. I also wonder if Herod built his <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodium">Herodium</a>
fortress over the older fort David had used that I'd mentioned earlier,
possibly eliminating all evidence of the older fort. Some aspects of
Josephus description seem consistent with the idea of an older
fortification existing there, it was the site of a battle before Herod
built anything.<br />
<br />
Bethlehem is never mentioned (by that name at least) in the books of
Kings and only once in 2 Chronicles during the reign of Rehoboam. As if
during the Kingdom period calling it by that name was phased out in
favor of the City of David. Of course between Solomon and Hezekiah the
only references to the City of David are as where the Kings were buried.<br />
<br />
If you still think The Man-Child of Revelation 12 is Jesus. It is Zion
far more often then Jerusalem refereed to as travailing in Childbirth.
With my view of The Man-Child as The Church at The Rapture, maybe
Bethlehem will play a role in that? After all a heavenly Mount Sion is important
to Revelation 14.<br />
<br />
Yahuah-Shammah is nine times the size of modern Jerusalem, according to
the most common estimate of it's size, it could be larger. Bethlehem is
about five miles south of Jerusalem. Yahuah-Shammah could be large
enough to encompass both Jerusalem and Bethlehem.<br />
<br />
But remember not all references to Bethlehem are to the one in Ephratah of Judah, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethlehem_of_Galilee">there is another lesser known one in the North</a>.
Sometimes people will try to argue that is where Jesus was born, but
Micah, Matthew and Luke all make qualifiers ruling out the Northern
One. And the reference in John 7 would make no sense in that context if
they meant a city in Galilee.<br />
<br />
I have run into a potential problem with this Bethlehem theory. Nehemiah
3:15-16 and 12:37 refer to the City of David as seemingly pretty clearly
within the Jerusalem he rebuilt, and refers to the burial site of the
Kings being there. But I shall look more into that as there could be an
explanation.<br />
<br />
The potential answer to that issue is that
Nehemiah's wall was larger then we usually think it was, that it
encompassed Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Maybe the wall we usually identify
it with isn't it at all, or maybe it is but was only part of it. And
that most of what Nehemiah built we won't find the remains of due to the
conquests of Israel by Antiochus Epiphanes and Rome.<br />
<br />
Given my speculation that the Construction projects of <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2015/02/suleiman-and-70-weeks-of-daniel.html">Suleiman The Magnificent</a>
could be a second fulfillment of the Daniel 9 Prophecy fulfilled by
Nehemiah. It's interesting to note that he also built fortifications in
Bethlehem, like <a href="http://www.atlastours.net/holyland/solomons_pools.html">The Castle of The Pools</a>.<br />
<br />
<a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-ark-of-covenant.html">A post in which I consider there may have been two Arks</a>, possibly filling some gaps in this study.<br />
<br />
The death of Rachel and birth of Benjamin is traditionally assumed to have been in Bethlehem. But many have read Genesis 35 more carefully as saying the birth of Benjamin, Death of Rachel and her Burial were on the way to Ephratah and the Migdal Eder from Bethel.<br />
<br />
If so that makes it likely these events happened in land later allotted to Benjamin. As the only of the 12 sons born in the Land, perhaps it makes he'd be allotted his birth place. 2 Samuel 10:2 refers to her Tomb as being in Benjamin. And there are traditions saying it is specifically in Ramah, which could be relevant to the "Voice Crieth form Ramah" Prophecy of Jeremiah 31:15 quoted in Matthew 2.<br />
<br />
As far as my citing it as evidence of Bethlehem being Zion. I note that this argument observed that after these events Jacob traveled past the Migdal Eder and set up a Tent. Perhaps this Tent was where the Tabernacle of David was later sent up? Maybe that is the origin of the site popularly viewed as Rachel's Tomb today?Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-41552376447661741482017-03-01T21:32:00.001-06:002019-05-14T10:31:20.054-05:00Are Jews Edomites?That's another claim you commonly see among Anti-Semites who want to argue modern Jewish communities (chiefly the Ashkenazim) are not legit descendants of the Ancient Israelites.<br />
<br />
I find it interesting actually how White Supremisicts and Afro-Centrists believe basically the same thing about Ashkenazim Jews. The KKK and Neo-Nazis hate Blacks but don't give them enough credit to view them as the Evil Masterminds of their Conspiracy Theories, so to them the Ashkenazim Jews are the puppet masters. While Black Power groups view the Ahskenazim Jews as the Whitest of all White People. So both see them as the ultimate villains. And both when presenting their views in a Biblical Context, will often argue some sort of Jews aren't real Israelites theory.<br />
<br />
The common Kazzar myth will be made an aspect of that. That myth is easy to debunk, one of my favorite videos on the subject is Chris White's.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWUZ6EqWHc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDWUZ6EqWHc</a><br />
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What's added to this here is claiming the Khazzars were Edomites.<br />
<br />
Many Medieval texts seem to identify the Khazzars as being one of the tribes to come from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togarmah#Jewish_traditions">Togarmah</a> son of Gomer son of Japheth, like other tribes of that region. Some like <a href="http://www.britam.org/KhazarsTenTribes.html">Britam</a> and Veilikovsky (in <a href="https://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/khazars.htm">Beyond the Mountains of Darkness</a>) have sought to claim Lost Tribes descent for the Khazars. I last month <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/01/my-view-on-modern-israel-in-bible.html">on another blog discussed reasons to think they may have partially descended from Benjamin's son Rosh</a>.<br />
<br />
But another factor brought in to allow a far more ancient Edomite infiltration of Judaism, is to talk about how the Hasmoneans forcibly converted the Idumeans. First of all I have cited Bill Cooper's <u>After The Flood</u> <a href="http://www.ldolphin.org/cooper/appen1.html">Appendix 1</a> to support my view that the Idumeans came from Ishmael's son Dumah not Edom. Second, who was of Idumean ancestry was always well known, and it seems like after 70 AD many Idumeans reverted back to being gentiles and are in fact now a significant portion of the ancestry of the modern Palestinians.<br />
<br />
But also, since NT era Idumea is essentially the land allotted to Simeon originally. And Simeonites latter migrated to and conquered the Mt Seir region in the time of Hezekiah. Maybe the Idumeans had some Simeonite stock intermingled into them? <br />
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But I also want to say that there is nothing inherently wrong with being descended from Esau. The Torah allows Gentile converts to be incorporated into Israel. And in the new Testament all who are Believers in Jesus are spiritually Abraham's Seed. Deuteronomy 23:7-8 specifically tells the Israelites not to abhor Edomites or Mizraimites who dwell among them, and that children begotten of them are to be allowed into the congregation after the third generation.<br />
<br />
The last thing I want to talk about is the Red Hair issue.<br />
<br />
Because of how Esau is described, especially at his birth (Genesis 25:25), he is assumed to have had Red Hair. And today Red Hair can be a bit more common then usual trait among Ashkenazim Jews.<br />
<br />
Some question if Esau was a Red Head, and argue that this is a reference to how sometimes Babies skin color looks reddish at birth (people saying Blacks are the true Israelites will say this particularly happens with Black babies sometimes). Esau's hair is definitely talked about however, he was a Hairy individual, but there is room to debate if it was ever the Hair being described as Red.<br />
<br />
BTW, that's where the name Edom comes from, a variation on the Hebrew word for Red. But some dispute that it always or even at all means Red but rather that it can also mean Brown. But I think it probably means Red. A form of the word is used to describe Ruby/Sardius gems.<br />
<br />
Regardless, if Esau did have Red Hair, Jacob was Esau's twin brother, so it shouldn't be surprising if their descendants carry some common genetic traits. And Red Hair has a particular tendency to be a recessive gene. So Jacob could easily have still carried the Red Hair gene Esau inherited even if he didn't have Red Hair himself.<br />
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The same word used to describe Esau as Red is also used of David interestingly, in 1 Samuel 16:12 and 17:42. The same above disputes arguably apply. Plus how it's used with David makes it seem less likely to be a reference to specifically Hair rather then something else. Regardless people have used those verses to say David was a Red Head. Which if true would verify that the Red Hair gene existed among descendants of Jacob.<br />
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There are some studying the DNA of Jewish families that claim Pater-lineal descent from David to see if they can find a Y Chromosome Genetic marker similar to the Kohen Y Chromosome that's been found.<br />
<a href="http://www.davidicdynasty.org/dna-research/">Davidic Dynasty DNA Research</a>.<br />
If they succeed, it would be interesting to then do a study to see if Genetically verified descendants of David are statistically more likely then other Jews to have Red Hair.<br />
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But Red Hair unlike the Y Chromosome or (most of the time) family names, can be passed on through the mother. In fact you're more likely to actually have Red Hair if both parents carry the Gene. Yet Tribal identity in Ancient Israel was usually determined by the Father's Tribe. So let's look at how many confirmed times a daughter of the House of David could have passed David's DNA into another Clan or Tribe.<br />
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David had at least one Daughter, Tamar. And unfortunately it can be considered unlikely she ever married after what happened to her, but not impossible. I also feel like it's implied David had other Daughters, but we can't be certain.<br />
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Absalom we are told had children including at least one daughter.<br />
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Solomon had two daughters we know of. Both were married to governors of Northern Kingdom locations. So it's possible via them a Hypothetical Davidic Red Hair gene could have wound up among the Northern Kingdom's population, which can be interesting to note for Lost Tribes theories.<br />
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Rehoboam had 18 Wives and 60 Concubines who bore him 28 sons and 60 daughters. His successor Abijah married 14 wives and had 22 sons and 16 daughters. If most of those daughters were married into important families throughout the Kingdom, it's hypothetically possible that by the end of the Kingdom Period everyone in the Southern Kingdom could have been a descendant of Rehoboam. The end of 1 Chronicles 11 does say Rehoboam dispersed his children throughout all the fenced cities of Judah and Benjamin.<br />
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Jehosbeba was a daughter of Jehoram of Judah. She was married to Jehoiada, a Priest and thus a descendant of Aaron. We know Jehoiada had at least one son, but no direct confirmation he was borne by Jehosheba. Still, we have here a chance for a possible Davidic Red Hair gene to wind up in the Kohen gene pool.<br />
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Zedekiah we are told had daughters in The Book of Jeremiah. British Israelism claims Irish and later Scottish and via the Stuarts British Royalty descends from one of those daughters. If you believe that theory it's interesting to note that Red Hair is most common among the Irish.<br />
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Hillel The Elder who was a Benjamite by his father, claimed descent from David's son Shaphatiah by Avital via his mother. Hillel's family were leaders of the Sanhedrin till it was disbanded. Rashi was a descendant of Hillel and thus many modern Jewish families can claim descent from Hillel.<br />
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I believe Mary the mother of Jesus was a descendant of Nathan via <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2015/05/heli-of-lukes-genealogy-is-father-of.html">Luke's Genealogy</a>. She may have had a sister who was the mother of Zebedee's children, James and John. I also believe she had at least two Daughters. And I even have a theory one of them <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2015/06/adiabene-christianity-and-messiah-ben.html">could be ancestral to the Bagartid Dynasty</a>. And if my theory that <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2014/09/a-theory-about-death-of-james-just.html">Joseph of Arimathea was Joses the Brother of Jesus</a> is true, that could add a twist to theories about <a href="http://jaredmithrandirolorin.blogspot.com/search/label/Arthurian%20Legend">Arthurian Legend</a> and <a href="http://jaredmithrandirolorin.blogspot.com/search/label/Grail%20Romance">Grail Romance</a>, but that is for another time on another Blog.<br />
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So maybe it's possible to develop a theory that every Red Head is descended from either Esau or David?<br />
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Some people have suggested the 19th Dynasty could have been of Hyksos stock because of their interest in Set who become unpopular after the Hyksos period. Since Ramses II is proven to have had Red hair, that can be interesting in light of viewing the Hyksos as the Edomite Amalekites.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-88069899892973848332017-01-18T04:37:00.001-06:002018-12-27T00:46:18.114-06:00Sinai in YemenIt seems most websites talking about the idea that Sinai was in Yemen
aren't giving a specific Mountain. Just referring to Teman of Habakkuk
3:3 paralleling Deuteronomy 33 with Teman in place of Sinai. And how Teman was a
Jewish name for Yemen. And mentioning the <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/01/velikovsky-argued-that-kadesh-barnea.html">Kadesh-Barnea as Mecca theory</a>
and how that involves identifying the first Meribah, Exodus 17, with
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'rib">Ma'rib</a> in Yemen. <br />
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Teman is also often translated South and Jesus called the Queen of Sheba the Queen of The South. <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/04/hatshepsut-as-queen-of-sheba-i-disagree.html">And that Kingdom we know was in Yemen</a>.<br />
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First I want to mention how all the Tribes of Arabia were wandering nomads, so it doesn't surprise me that many place names may repeat in both Northern Arabia/Jordan and Southern Arabia/Yemen. Like with Teman or Midian/Medan, or Seir, or Paran. And there is no doubt there was more then one Kadesh and Meirbah in the Wandering account. <br />
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Jebel El-Lawz supporters like to emphasize how Josephus called Sinai the tallest Mountain in the area. <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/04/sinai-in-midianarabia.html">And I agree that it is in Arabia</a>. Well it seems to me unclear whether he meant just where ever he meant by Midian, or all of Arabia. So I've decided maybe we should start our search by looking for the tallest mountain in Arabia.<br />
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Well the tallest Mountain on the Arabian Peninsula happens to be in Yemen. And the second tallest is very near by it. It's name is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabal_an_Nabi_Shu'ayb">Jabal an Nabi Shu'ayb</a>, the second tallest is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabal_Tiyal">Jabal Tiya</a>. Both are located on opposite sides of the city of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana%27a">Sana'a</a>. And a district in Sana'a is called Madina. They are part of or near a mountain range called <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabal_Haraz">Jabal Haraz</a>. And another linked location is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tihamah">Tihamah</a>. And there is also near to Yemen's north the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Asir_Region">Asir region</a>. <br />
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Some of those names sound awfully familiar don't they? Yet they don't seem to come from local traditions claiming any such Biblical connection. Since the Israelites were traveling towards the Promised land when they
went from Sinai to Kadesh-Barnea. If Barnea is Mecca and Sinai was in
Yemen, then the Asir Mountains would be the Mountains of Seir between
Sinai and Kadesh. Doesn't mean the traditional location of Seir isn't the place in mind in other references to Seir. There is actually no doubt that The Bible refers to more then one Seir since there is also a Seir near Hebron in Joshua 15.<br />
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BTW, the only two mountains in the entire middle east that are taller don't
come close to even fitting the loosest definition of Arabia,
one's in Lebanon and the other in Iran.<br />
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The tallest mountain in Arabia is named after <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuaib">Shu'ayb</a>. A Midianite Prophet mentioned in the Quran, who is linked to Mt Sinai and often either identified with Jethro or viewed as a predecessor of Jethro's priesthood. Yet this mountain which bears his name isn't where current Islamic traditions say he lived, no the Northern Arabia/Jordan assumption is the basis for the official site of his tomb.<br />
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I then Google searched and found at least one person had came to this conclusion before I did.<br />
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Sana'a is the Capital of modern Yemen, while we're used to thinking of Sinai as being away from civilization. But Sana'a wasn't always the capital, and the city, even the old city, is barely older then Islam, first popping up around 530 AD. The very tall Mountain was always there, but the City was not. <br />
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I also want to talk a little more about the name of Sheba.<br />
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I obviously disagree with the premise of <u>The Bible Came from Arabia</u>. I think Jerusalem was always what we today call Jerusalem, and Beth-El to the north of it. Likewise with Hebron and Galilee ect.<br />
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But I do think in some senses what God promised to Abraham did extent further south then we usually think. Especially since the sons of Keturah were totally South of what God gave Abraham according to most traditional maps of the Abrahamic covenant.<br />
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Beersheba is often given as a southern border of Israel. But it's not a boundary marker included in Ezekiel 40-47. It is usually contrasted with Dan, and since I think what is meant by Dan can extend pretty far North of the proper tribal allotments (Dan's proper allotment wasn't in the North at all), perhaps Beersheba as a southern border includes in a sense the sons of Keturah. And thus lands that David ruled as Tributaries rather then directly. Elijah stopped at Beersheba on the way to Horeb.<br />
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Linked to Beersheba is a place called Shebah (Genesis 26:33) and Sheba (Joshua 19:2). They're in land allotted to the Simeonites, but remember from Genesis 49 the Simeonites ultimately lost their own land to be absorbed into the other tribes. But one clan of Simeon was the Yamin (Jamin in the KJV) clan.<br />
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Now the Strongs lists those references to Sheba as totally separate words from the Genesis 10 Shebas and the Queen of Sheba. But the variation is really rather small, involving a letter that sometimes gets used as a vowel. And interestingly for the Queen, only Genesis 26 uses the name in a Feminine form.<br />
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Perhaps Beersheba is the border between Peleg and Joktan? And king Abimelech of Genesis 20 and 21 was a Joktanite King? And the Philistines of Genesis 26 had not yet fully migrated to the Gaza Strip from Caphtor? 2 Chronicles 14 refers to Cushites in Gerar, which is interesting given my <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/11/cush-africa-and-arabia.html">Cushites in Arabia observations</a>. Abimelech was probably a title not a personal name.<br />
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The Yam Suf clearly refers to the Red Sea, as that is where Solomon had his port. But perhaps the Red Sea crossing was at <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bab-el-Mandeb">Bab-el-Mandeb</a>? It is called that because in some traditions early migrations to Africa from Babel crossed there. So it would make sense to lead the Israelites there, going the opposite direction. And Afro-centrists sometimes claim this is where men first left Africa.<br />
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<b>Update June 12th 2017</b>: Goshen's location.<br />
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In conjunction with the Bab-el Mandeb aspect of this theory. I feel like questioning the traditional location of Goshen in the Delta. It's largely dependent on thinking Exodus mentions Ramses II's capital, but we in revised Chronology know that is wrong.<br />
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But first I should note, Exodus tells us Yahuah went out of his way to make sure their path to the Promised didn't run into the Philistines. So I think it makes sense that He would avoid the "Sinai" Peninsula altogether. <br />
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That Joshua conquered all the way to Goshen normally makes one think it can't be too deep into Egypt. But if Joshua was during the Second Intermediate period, as the Hyksos were establishing themselves. Or maybe even the First Intermediate period. Then the idea of him briefly conquering all of Egypt isn't so out there. Especially for those who think the River of Egypt used as a boundary marker for the Covenant is The Nile. Identifying <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaqub-Har">Yaqub-Har</a>
with Jacob as some like to clearly doesn't work. But maybe Yacub-Har
was a name the Egyptians call Joshua? As a leader of the descendants of
Jacob. Or Joshua could have conquered a different Goshen.<br />
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The Migdol of Eygpt may not always be the same place, Migdol just means any Tower or fortification. But interestingly many interpret Ezekiel's reference to Migdol in Egypt as being in the South near Syene/Aswan. And I've seen Jeremiah's Migdol in Egypt interpreted as being an Island in The Nile Isrealites settled on, from what we know outside The Bible that best fits Elephantine, in the South/Upper Egypt.<br />
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Genesis 45:10 says Goshen was near Joseph. I have become convinced Joseph's Pharaoh was a Second Dynasty one due to the Second Dynasty having an ancient account of a somewhat similar Famine during the reign of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neferkasokar">Neferkasokar</a>. (The more Popular <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_Stela">Imhotep Famine story</a> is a Ptolemaic ea invention, not ancient enough, and is less similar then this to the Biblical story anyway.) The office of Grand Vizer seems to not show up in exiting Egyptian Records till later then the 2nd Dynasty. It could be it was basically invented for Joseph. The 2nd Dynasty Pharaohs ruled from an Upper Egypt capitol. So at this time that description makes an Upper Nile location for Goshen more logical.<br />
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I before and many others got confused by exactly what Velikovsky was claiming in his Kadesh-Barnea theory, he wasn't placing Sinai in Yemen, he was saying Mar'ib wasn't in Yemen. He actually did place Sinai in the traditional Helena selected location, and argued how Mecca could be 11 days from there. In that context needing around 20 days for Israel to get from Southern Egypt or Northern Sudan to Bab-el Mandeb is perfectly feasible. As said above Sinai being north of Barnea doesn't fit because they were traveling to the Promised Land when they traveled from Sinai to Barnea.<br />
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I've seen people suggest that the Slavery of the Israelites in Egypt maybe wasn't the kind of Slavery we usually picture, but perhaps almost a kind of Serfdom, or like the Helots were to Sparta. I'm not sure what I think of that in general, but it could arguably fit Egypt's relationship with Kerma. Also Kerma first appears in Egyptian records after the 2nd Dynasty and thus after my placement for Joseph.<br />
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The continuity between Kerma of the Old and Middle Kingdoms and even early 18th Dynasty, with the Nubian civilization that appeared at Napata during the Third Intermediate Period and went on to spring the 25th Dynasty, is a subject of controversy. It's unclear to me whether or not the Egyptians called anyone Kush before the 18th Dynasty. Some depictions of the Kermites seemingly show them as not quite as dark as the later Nubians, but that could be misleading, and how they looked works with my argument here either way. I'm fine with thinking the Israelites were once very Dark Skinned. And I certainly believe many Black people groups today have Israelite Ancestry, the Aksumites, the Lemba and the Igbo to name a few.<br />
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But I've also wondered. What if Goshen and Cushan can be the same name? Both have distinct Hebrew spellings in the Hebrew Bible. But Egypt used a different Alphabet and Goshen could come from attempting to represent what the Egyptians called this area. The same Hebrew name, Yeshua, can become in English Bibles both Joshua and Jesus depending on if Greek is a middle man in the Transliteration process. Goshen and Cushan could be the same kind of thing here.<br />
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This theory can still have Kerma exist after the Exodus. Just as many Egyptians and other gentiles who placed Blood on their Doorpost left with the Israelites, thus them being called a mixed multitude. Likewise Hebrews who didn't place their faith in the Passover Lamb were left behind. And to begin with Israelites may not have been the only people in Kerma. And when Joshua conquered all the way to Goshen he may have left some settlers there. And perhaps some Hyksos settled there, ones with Edomite or Ishmaelite ancestry may have felt a kinship. The Hyksos mainly based their power in the Delta, but one Hyksos ruler was named "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehesy">The Nubian</a>". Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-7728380376381001862017-01-18T00:42:00.002-06:002019-04-10T14:21:00.300-05:00Velikovsky argued that Kadesh-Barnea was Mecca.I've come to agree with Velikovsky less then I used to on some matters. But this is an example of one of his lesser known ideas that I've come to find compelling.<br />
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<a href="https://www.varchive.org/ce/baalbek/desert.htm">The "Great and Terrible Wilderness"</a>.<br />
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Some corresponding identities I'm not sold on, like Medina with the Midian of Jetho, I think that Midian was probably the usual Midian, but shouldn't his theory be looking for it in Yemen? And while I've contemplated the idea of <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/01/sinai-in-yemen.html">Sinai in Yemen</a>, I'm annoyed by the logic that goes into trying to make it a Volcano. And I've already talked about where <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/11/on-amalekites-and-hyksos.html">I agree and disagree concerning the Amalekites</a>.<br />
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I have already explained on this blog why <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/04/sinai-in-midianarabia.html">I believe Sinai was in Arabia</a>, even if I'm not so solid on Jebel El Lawz anymore. And on the <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/search/label/Ishmael">Ishmael tag of my Prophecy Blog</a>, I discus further reasons I see some truth in the Islamic claims about Ishmael, even though I would never endorse Islamic Theology, Christolgoy or Soterology. Including possibly agreeing that Baca of the Psalm 84:6 refers to the Bakkah of Mecca.<br />
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Others taking aspects of Velikovsky's argument have tied it into other totally off base theories, like all of Israel was in Arabia, or that the Mizraim of the Hebrew Bible was just an Arab tribe.<br />
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One thing that I'm not sure Velikovsky knew, was there were probably two places called Kadesh visited during the wandering. The place where Miriam died was not Barnea. I do think Barnea is meant by some unqualified references to Kadesh, and this theory requires all three Kadesh of Genesis to be Barnea. But the Kadesh that marks a Southern/Eastern boundary of Israel in Ezekiel 47 and 48 I do not think was Barnea but was somewhere near Aqaba or Petra, where Miriam died, and a location near Patra is traditionally where Aaron was buried. There were likewise two places called Meribah.<br />
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Lots of people I know disagree about there being two places called Kadesh in the wandering. But reading of the narrative that assume them to be the same have Israel in the same place for like 38 years. Deuteronomy 2:14 defines this 38 years as the time they were traveling from Kadesh-Barnea to the Brook of Zered. So they were at Barnea only at the start of that time-frame. And in this case the sources Veiikvosky is drawing on say Mozaikiya and his tribe stayed in Mecca only a few years then traveled North. BTW, the "Mountain of Moses" in the Masudi quote Velikovsky talked about could be Nebo where Moses was buried and died, rather then Sinai.<br />
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The Kadesh of Numbers 13, which is Barnea, is in the Wilderness of Paran. In Numbers 20 they arrive at a Kadesh in the wilderness of Zin, no references to Paran apply to the Kadesh where Miriam died. In Numbers 13:21 Zin is referenced not as being where that Kadesh is located, but as a southern border of the Promised Land that the 12 spies surveyed.<br />
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What interests me in particular is how this is one of the places where The Tabernacle had been erected, and some Arab historians do say a Tent existed where the Kaaba is first. I have become intrigued by the argument that <a href="http://project314.org/">the Tabernacle was actually Dome shaped</a>. And there is a Dome shaped structure near the Kaaba. I don't think any building there now goes back to the time of Moses, but it's interesting.<br />
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Every time it's called Barnea it's called that in retrospect. It's just called Kadesh when Israel is there in the present in Numbers 13. It's in references back to those events in Numbers 32 and 33, and in Deuteronomy and Joshua that it's called Kadesh-Barnea. That makes me wonder what Barnea means?<br />
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<b>Update May 2017</b>: I made some mistakes up above.<br />
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I'm not alone in this mistake I made, lots of other people talking about what Velikovsky wrote on Kadesh-Barnea and Mecca seem to miss that he was suggesting Mar'ib wasn't in Yemen.<br />
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Velikovsky did not place Sinai in Yemen or in Arabia at all, he based this on a Sinai Peninsula Sinai view and said it fit the 11 day journey requirement by arguing a day's journey could be 40 Kilometers. With that math you could also made Mecca as Barnea consistent with Jabal el-laws or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jebel_al-Madhbah">Jebel al-Madhbah</a>.<br />
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However I have a problem with placing Sinai north of Kadesh-Barnea, since the account of Israel traveling from Sinai to Kadesh implies they were heading in the direction of the Promised Land. If Mecca is Kadesh-Barnea then Sinai is south of it, between them is a mountain range called Seir which could refer to the Asir mountains. So it being in Yemen fits best.<br />
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I think the Kadesh in the Wilderness of Zin where Miraim died is Petra or someplace very near there. The Mountain near Petra believed to be where Aaron was buried I think is where Aaron was buried.<br />
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The story Velikvosky was drawing on I think is itself a confused mixture of traditions. Partly based on Moses but also mingled with how the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Khuza'a#History_2">Banu Khuza'a</a> came to Mecca around the second century AD. Or sometimes as early as the 6th Century BC.<br />
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One of the guilt by affiliation tactics used by enemies of Sinai in Arabia is a fear it would somehow vindicate Islam. Muhammad's failures as a Prophet are sufficient to discredit Islam, Muslim traditions about Ishmael derive from what Jews and Christians of Arabia already believed.<br />
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Jerome and Eusebius both well before Muhammad placed the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_of_Paran">Wilderness of Paran</a> in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabia_Deserta">Arabia Deserta</a>.<br />
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It is true that for most of Biblical History Ishmaelite tribes lived further north, mostly in Jordan and Syria. But Jeremiah foretells Kedar being scattered by Nebuchadnezzar. Which I talked about in my post showing that <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/01/did-muhammad-descend-from-ishmael.html">Muhammad descended from Ishmael</a>.<br />
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But the Islamic traditions agree that for a long time after Ishmael himself others controlled Mecca until the Kedarites came. The Jurhum (who are sometimes identified as Amalekites), and then the Banu Khuza'a.<br />
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<b>Update October 2017</b>: Alternatively, Mecca as Sinai.<br />
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Another theory out there is that Mt Sinai was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabal_al-Nour">Jabal al-Nour</a> (Mount of Light or Illumination), a mountain near Mecca, where supposedly Muhammad had his first revelation, in <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hira">the Hira cave</a>. A lot of evidence for that theory could overlap with Mecca as Kadesh, so I figured I'd talk about it here.<br />
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If that theory is true, the Hira cave could also be Elijah's Cave. And the Kaaba could be where the Tabernacle of Moses was first pitched, the original Holy of Holies. And the Zamzam Well could be the Well of Exodus 2:15, where Moses met Zipporah. And perhaps also identify the city of Midian with Medina, also named Yathrib, a name possibly derived from Jethro.<br />
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Another nearby Mountain is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabal_Thawr">Jabal Thawr</a>, meaning Mountain of the Bull, perhaps linked to the Golden Calf incident.<br />
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And that could be consistent with a more usual location for Kadesh-Barnea, in southern Israel or Jordan. Possibly near Petra.<br />
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What's curious is how <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Mount_Sinai#Saudi_Arabia">Wikipedia</a> and some other sites will mention that <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Beke">Charles Beke</a> in 1873 suggested Jabal al-Nour as Mt Sinai, but without mentioning it's close association with Muhammad or Mecca, and even misrepresent where it is making it sound closer to the Gulf of Aqaba.<br />
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Even going off the account Velikovsky based his Kadesh as Mecca theory on. It has this family/tribe going from Meri'b right to Mecca, no stopping at a separate Sinai analogue in between. So maybe even that account Velikovsky had miscalculated and was really associating Mecca with Sinai?<br />
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Now this gets into some authors theories that the Ark of the Covenant is in the Kaaba now, and was placed there by Muhammad, and that till then it was in Sinai. And citing the Quran, Sura 2 verse 248. As well as Second Maccabees saying the Ark wound up hidden in Sinai by Jeremiah.<br />
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I still have reasons for favoring Sinai being in Yemen. But this possibility is interesting. Though I of course don't think the Ark is in Mecca.<br />
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It's interesting then that in Galatians 4:24 Paul links Mount Sinai to Hagar and Ishmael.<br />
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<b>Update April 2019</b>: Forget the Mecca as Sinai theory for now. I've become aware of a theory that the Mecca of Muhammad was not originally modern Mecca but Petra, which Josephus seems to have identified with Kadesh-Barnea. That could make Velikovsky's theory right in a way he didn't expect.<br />
<a href="https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2018/07/could-islam-have-had-nestorian-origins.html">https://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2018/07/could-islam-have-had-nestorian-origins.html</a><br />
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Though if the two Kadesh are separate, Petra is more likely the second Kadesh, where Miriam and Aaron died and where the second getting water form a rock miracle happened.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-64253214972301677932017-01-17T18:50:00.002-06:002019-12-15T01:00:24.935-06:00Sixth Dynasty Exodus models tend to be inspired by the so called JasherThe Book of Jasher <a href="http://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-so-called-book-of-jasher-is-not.html">I have dedicated a post to discrediting on another blog</a>.<br />
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When you see people arguing for a Sixth Dynasty Exodus, they inevitably cite Jasher.<br />
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<a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/77.htm">Jasher Chapter 77</a>, says that Melol, the father of the Pharaoh of the Exodus, and thus Pharaoh under whom Moses birth and exile would have happened, reigned 94 years. Only one Pharaoh comes even close to matching this reign length and that was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepi_II_Neferkare">Pepi II</a>. Generally the third to last of the 6th Dynasty.<br />
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That this Pharaoh had this reign length was not some fact lost to History until modern Egyptology however. The transcribers of Manetho (though Josephus didn't discus this part of it) refer to Pepi II and give him 94 years. (Many modern Egyptologists give Pepi a couple years less then that.) So this information would have been available to the Medieval Jews who wrote the Book of Jasher.<br />
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From identifying Melol with Pepi II, comes identifying Adikam with Merenre Namtyemsaf II. There the reign lengths don't quite match anymore, leaving room to doubt that Jasher just copied Manetho.<br />
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Because our transcribers of Manetho have a female as the last ruler of the 6th Dynasty, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netjerkare_Siptah">Nictrotis</a>. These theories go and identify her with Gedudah of <a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/jasher/76.htm">Jasher 76</a>:55. But nothing in Jasher implies Gedudah was ever queen. Of course most modern Egyptologists do not anymore think the last Pharaoh of the 6th Dynasty was a female. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Netjerkare_Siptah">But since we don't have that Pharaoh's Mummy</a> I feel we can't even be certain what gender they were assigned at birth.<br />
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In-spite of my distaste for Jasher, I have recently developed my own reasons for considering a Sixth Dynasty Exodus. The impact of the events related to the Exodus probably make it the end of a Kingdom. And I think Solomon was contemporary with Tuthmosis III at the latest. Yet I'm growing more and more skeptical of the usual arguments for a longer Hyksos period.<br />
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Especially given the potential <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/11/adjusting-18th-dynasty.html">very late date for the 18th Dynasty I've considered</a>. And my reasons to want to see <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/05/osiris-and-horus-may-be-mentioned-in.html">Esau as contemporary with Pre-Dynastic Egypt</a>. The Exodus ending the Old Kingdom seems increasingly attractive. Esau was born in 2237 BC by my current main model, 49 years before Ussher's date for the founding of Egypt.<br />
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However for now this is just a thought I'm throwing out there. I'm going to need to investigate more. And the Chronology of Ken Johnson in <u>Early Post Flood History</u> is totally nonsensical.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-68237170565747474962017-01-07T14:45:00.001-06:002018-12-27T01:53:43.425-06:00The Sea Peoples and Lost Tribes speculationI already did one post on <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-tribe-of-dan-and-sea-peoples.html">The Tribe of Dan and the Sea Peoples</a>. This shall retread some of that while also being a follow up. I've also already noted that my mind has changed on what I said about Ethiopia there in my post on <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/11/cush-africa-and-arabia.html">Cush and Africa</a>.<br />
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Of the nine peoples mentioned in Egyptian texts who we today group together as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples">Sea Peoples</a>, only five were called that by the Egyptians. The Denyen were instead the people of the Isles or Islands. The Lukka appear to be Lydia (Biblical Lud) in modern Turkey, but it could also refer to the Lycia on the Mediterranean coast of Asia Minor. The Prrst are popularly identified as the Philistines but we know they were the Persians. And the Tjekker are the most enigmatic. None of those four were called Sea Peoples.<br />
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The Ekwesh and Weshesh are never both mentioned at the same time. The Ekwesh are mentioned only by Merneptah. And the Weshesh by 20th Dynasty and later texts. With the common Wesh element in their names, I feel it's safe to make a "Clark Kent is never around when Superman shows up" observation. So we thus can narrow the Sea Peoples down to four people groups.<br />
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The Weshesh being identified with Asher is well known, as are theories connecting the Shekelesh to either Isshachar or Shechem. I've mentioned before my theory for connecting the Sherden to the Sardite clan descended from Sered of the Tribe of Zebulun mentioned in Numbers 26:26, and Joshua 19:10-12 associates a location called Sarid with Zebulun. And I also think the Teresh could come from Tirzah, a city of Western Manasseh. As a final minor note the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tjeker">Tjeker</a> are linked in one text to Dor, a coastal city of Manasseh, but also near both Asher and Zebulun, and who's Governor under Solomon was married to a Daughter of Solomon.<br />
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On my other blog I did a <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2016/03/lost-tribes-follow-up-post.html">Lost Tribes follow up post</a> where I showed it was only the Trans-Jordan Tribes, Naphtali, and part of Ephraim (mainly Samaria) who were deported by Assyria. And I believe they were taken East of the Euphrates and so can't be linked to Europe. And I made a point of how Western Manasseh, Asher, Zebulun & Isshachar, and some of Ephraim still existed in their allotments at the time of Hezekiah's Passover.<br />
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Of those, Western Manasseh, Asher, Zebulun & Issachar I feel can also be labeled the North Western Coastal Tribes, who between Genesis 49 and Deuteronomy 33 seem to have a bit of a Sea Faring destiny foretold for them. So identifying the Sea Peoples with these tribes I feel does not conflict with with Velikovsky's Ionian identifications for them, as I believe they would have traveled by sea to that region, and perhaps both founded colonies there and intermingled with the descendants of Javan and Lud who already dwelt there. Also Joel 3 described Israelites being sold into Slavery to Greeks.<br />
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In <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2017/05/the-name-gog-is-in-bible-besides.html">my post on Gog and Magog</a> I talk about Gyges of Lydia and his role in the history of the Sherden. <br />
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One of the most important Ionian cities was Miletus. I agree with Bill Cooper who in After The Flood argued that people from Miletus migrated to Ireland as the Milesians about 510 BC. But I also feel other migrations of Galiac peoples to Ireland from Ionia happened around 300 and 100 BC since I also see some truth to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Rahilly%27s_historical_model">O'Rahilly's Model</a>. Earlier the list of Sea Powers has Miletus as the dominant Sea Power when the Northern Kingdom fell.<br />
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So I think the Irish and possibly other peoples of the British Isles, and maybe Gauls of France also, partly descend from the North Western Coastal Tribes. While the Scandanavians and Gemranic peoples (including Angl-Saxons and maybe Franks) partly come from Dan. Thus meaning there is some truth in the Britam Model (I also agree with Britam on Edom being Rome, and Moab & Amon being Spain & Portugal, but not so much identifying Edom with Germany or Japan).<br />
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I have also looked into the claims of those who believe many "Negroes" are the "True Israelites". Like a Video on YouTube called <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0UPTQCgGCE">Hidden History of Blacks in The Bible</a>. This video supports garbage like the Kazzar myth, and just generally agrees with the "Race" concept rather then <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2015/06/shem-ham-and-japheth.html">rejecting it as I do</a>. And supports Legalism which I don't like, and a very Ethnocentric view of The Gospel.<br />
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On it's claims about History though. First I should note while it throws around the phrase "Lost Tribes" a few times, it does not claim Negros descend from the Assyrian Captivity or even Babylonian, but rather the Roman Captivity. And it doesn't claim all Black Africans are Israelites, but mainly those specific tribes targeted by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_slave_trade">Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade</a>, of which <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Igbo_in_the_Atlantic_slave_trade">the Igbo are the most notorious</a>. I find that argument quite compelling, we know via the Prophetess Anna mentioned in Luke that some of these same Tribes I was just discussing had a remnant still in Israel during the Time of Christ. Plus what happened to the remaining Ephraimites I haven't explained yet.<br />
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However the specific Tribal Identity theory this video promoted makes African Americans Judah, while I now think the Judahites in Africa would be Aksum Ethiopia (not to be confused with Biblical Ethiopia). The main reason the Ethiopian Beta Israel claims aren't considered as Genetically verified as other Jewish groups is because they don't seem genetically distinct from the Gentiles of Ethiopia. Two of the three major Haplogroups associated with Jews are present in that part of Africa. The one missing is the one I think most likely to have entered Jewry via European Jews intermingling with Europeans.<br />
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I think the Gentiles of Ethiopia are of Judean ancestry as well. The Christians are probably descended from Jews who converted to Christianity, and while I don't think the Menelik Dynasty descends from Solomon and Sheba. I do think they might descend from <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehoahaz_of_Judah">King Jehoahaz</a> who was last seen being taken to Egypt by Necho, and/or from the Daughters of Zedekiah who came to Egypt later mentioned in Jeremiah. Then later maybe some Judeans who came to Africa after the Roman conquest joined them.<br />
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The Pagans of Ethiopia are according to the oral traditions of one of them descended from Canaanite tribes. Yet <a href="http://solascripturachristianliberty.blogspot.com/2015/06/genesis-9-and-curse-on-canaan.html">I have made an important point out of how there is no Biblical Basis for connecting Canaan to Africa</a>. However Ezekiel 16 talks about Jews who worship the Canaanite gods, or worship Yahuah in a Canaanite fashion, as being spiritually children of Canaanites. So I think these Pagan Pseudo-Canaanites of Ethiopia are really Jews who fell into Idolatry. Interestingly these tribes do seem to practice a Monotheistic form of Paganism.<br />
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But going back to the Enslaved Western Africans being Israelites. The video I mentioned uses the Bondage in Egypt, and Joel 3's reference to Israelites being sold into Slavery, and the various Captivities, and the Books of Maccabees alluding to Jews being Enslaved by Antiochus Epiphanes, all as Prophetic evidence that being Enslaved is itself evidence of Israelite heritage.<br />
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Well Africans weren't the only people enslaved by the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. Many <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2015/07/about-americas-and-lost-tribes.html">Native Americans</a> were as well. But also going back to what I argued above, so were many of the Irish. Also both Ashkenazim Jews and <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2016/01/did-lost-tribes-go-to-japan.html">Japanese people</a> (and others) were Enslaved in Concentration Camps during WWII.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-17456220072811306232016-11-06T18:22:00.000-06:002019-02-22T01:33:27.568-06:00More on 19th Dynasty ChronologyVelikovsky wasn't the first to suggest that Seti I actually reigned over 50 years. All three versions of Manetho's 19th dynasty begin with Seti and give him a reign of about 54 or 55 years. Same margin Herodotus gives Psammetichus.<br />
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Conventional chronology keeps shortening the reign of Seti I, apparently it recently became agreed upon that he didn't reign more then 11 years. Even though when discussing Ramses II's son <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaemweset">Khaemweset</a> on wikipedia Seti's year 14 is mentioned.<br />
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Viewing Psammetichus as Seti I allows us to identify Seti's reign having more then one potential start date. When he first started reigning as a local ruler upon the death of Rameses I/Necho I in 664 BC. When he became sole ruler of Egypt in his 9th year in 656 BC, same 9th year I suspect Rameses II was crowned as an infant. And possibly also later when he was recognized as independent by Assyria. In one source he seems to be bragging about a lot of accomplishments already in his first year.<br />
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Mainstream Egyptologists think Ramses II just made up the story about being crowned as an infant. Now I get the reasoning a King might do that, and that could still fit the revised chronology, just having him actually date later events from the made up coronation. But why randomly say it was Seti's 9th year? If according to conventional chronology Ramses was born before Seti's reign started, why not say Seti did this right at the start? That this lie was plausible is itself evidence Ramses birth didn't predate Seti's coronation. Now if Seti was Psametichus we have a reason his 9th year was important, but maybe that was also when Ramses was born, and so he claimed he was crowned at his birth.<br />
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Returning to the subject of <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-succesors-of-rameses-ii-aka-pharoh.html">Hophra/Apries/Merneptah, and Amasis</a>. Herodotus reign lengths might be off here. I believe Apries took the throne in 589 BC. I think after 10 years was when he first fled Egypt. I think about 579-572 would be the seven year reign of Seti II who Herodotus was unaware of. Maybe Amenmes and Amasis are the same, maybe not. I think the native Egyptian 19th Dynasty records are unaware of Egypt's 40 year exile/captivity(Ezekiel 29-30), which is why most or maybe all of Amasis reign (44 years according to Herodotus) is unknown.<br />
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I'm thinking of moving the death of Apries from 567 BC to 573-570 BC. I think about 572-573 is also when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Egypt and sent them into captivity. Amasis specifically gets exiled to Cyprus which Egyptian 26th Dynasty history prefers to remember as him conquering Cyprus.<br />
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Cyrus allows Amasis and the Egyptians to return to Egypt not long after he allowed Judah to return. It's possible like with Judah many Egyptians didn't return and <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2016/11/england-and-egypt.html">were scattered</a>.<br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psamtik_III">Psamtik III</a> could perhaps be the same as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siptah">Siptah</a>. And <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twosret">Tworset</a> the same as Nitetis, who I could see Cambyses allowing to reign as a vessel briefly after he defeated Psamtik III.<br />
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On the subject of the 19th Dynasty being perceived to directly follow the 18th. One historical mystery I want to talk about is how Manetho seems to kind of record the 19th Dynasty twice, once at the end of the 18th Dynasty, and a second time as the 19th Dynasty. Neither contains the whole picture of what archeology tells us. But both have someone with a name similar to Rameses Miamun reigning for 60some years, archeology knows of only one pharaoh who's reign total was in the 60s at all, much less with basically the same name.<br />
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I think the 19th Dynasty rulers themselves wanted to pretend they followed the 18th because the time in-between was largely foreign occupation. But maybe they did descend from some otherwise forgotten local dynasty that descended from the 18th? Or maybe Manetho's garbled history reflects efforts by some previous Egyptian scribe trying to fill a gap he knew existed but didn't know how to fill. <br />
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I already said I think the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti_(commander)">Seti who was Rameses I's father</a> may have been the Sethos of Herodotus. With Rameses I as Necho I, perhaps this Seti is also either Nechepsos or Stephinates of Manetho's 26th dynasty before Necho I. Herodotus begins the dynasty with Necho I.<br />
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Maybe this Seti and his brother(s) can also be identified with the Sethosis and his brother(s) who end Manetho's 18th Dynasty. That places him about 710-700 BC. Then with him preceded by an Amenophis who reigned 40 years and a Miamun who reigned over 60, and then two short reigns for a Harmias and a Rameses, and then two Ascheneres of 12 years each. And you wind up with Rathotis very near where Velikovsky (<a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/11/adjusting-18th-dynasty.html">and possibly myself</a>) placed Tutankamun, who Rathotis is commonly identified with.<br />
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Going back to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti_II">Seti II</a>. He had a son named <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seti-Merenptah">Seti-Merneptah</a> about whom little is known. He's assumed to have died during Siptah's reign, but there is no proof of that. Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-32709572876166300992016-11-05T21:34:00.001-05:002019-05-20T17:35:55.834-05:00Cush, Africa, India and ArabiaOne of the most confusing things in trying to determine the geography of Eden in Genesis 2 (if you think those names refer to the same places they do in Post-Flood geography, which Moses' present tense grammar supports), is how a river (The Gihon) sharing the same source as the Tigris, Euphrates and one seemingly linked to Arabia (Pishon), can encompass the Land of Cush (translated Ethiopia). But of course this is confusing only to those who've gotten in the habit of thinking Cush only refers to Africa south of Egypt.<br />
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Rob Skiba mocks the theory that places the Gihon in northern India. Well he is forgetting the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Kush">Hindu Kush</a> and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushan_Empire">Kushan Empire</a>. I've already discussed on this blog that I think Cush's son Raamah traveled to India and that he was partly the basis for the Hindu mythical figure of Rama. Rama and Raamah both had two sons. Rama's were mothered by Sita and named Lava and Kush, so like the Greeks the Indian mythical memory confused things. The Ramayana, our main source on Rama, like the Mahabarata is post Alexander The Great, (they're not nearly as old as Ancient Aliens keeps saying they are). Raamah's sons were Sheba and Dedan, maybe they are equally as linked to Arabia as Jokshan's pair of sons by those names. But I think the Hindu god Shiva's name could come from Sheba, the Hebrew word Sheba is sometimes pronounced that way thanks to the B/V interchangeability. And maybe Dedan is connected to the Danu and Danavas of Hindu mythology, and/or the Danuna of Burma.<br />
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Cush can also be linked to Mesopotamia starting with Nimrod. Some theories on Eden say the Cush meant there is the city of Kish. The Ziggurat of Kish is to a god who's name is possibly similar to two of Cush's sons. Judges has a King of Mesopotamia with Cushan in his composite name and/or title. Cushan in the Hebrew is just Cush with an N added at the end. Some have also theorized the Kassites could come from Cush.<br />
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The names of some of Cush's sons in Genesis 10 can be linked to Arabia, even leaving out the names that have duplicates among the descendants of Shem. Bill Cooper covers them in <a href="http://www.ldolphin.org/cooper/appen2.html">After The Flood Appendix 2</a>. I think his biggest mistakes are who he puts where with the duplicate names, but it's still all useful information. He sadly missed Raamah's connection to India.<br />
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Another appearance in The Bible of the name Cushan is in Habakkuk 3:7 which all scholars agree is about Arabia. Where Cushan is mentioned in close proximity to Midian.<br />
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The reference in Numbers 12 to Moses having a Cushite wife is, because of the tendency to by default assume that name means Africa, part of the origin of the tradition recounted in Josephus that Moses married a Nubian princess after conquering Ethiopia for Egypt. This passage also becomes relevant to debates about both Polygamy and Inter-Racial marriage, with the text's condemnation of Aaron and Miriam's criticism here taken as a condemnation of opposition to either of those.<br />
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However there are scholars who have argued this wife may not even be a separate individual from Zipporah, the daughter of Jethro, thus making it irrelevant to Polygamy. Jetho is called a Priest in Midian, and sometimes seemingly a Midanite by residence. But his tribal identity is Kenite, we do not know how the Kenites fit into Genesis 10. Bill Cooper's argument they came from Midian's son Henoch I do not find convincing. Remembering that a Cushan is linked to Midian, the Kenites could very well be from Cush.<br />
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Bishop James Ussher in <u>Annals of The World</u> for the year 1615 BC quotes Eusebius Chronicles 1. 1. 1:53 as saying that the Ethiopians of Africa migrated there from the Indus River. During the Old and Middle Kingdoms Egypt's main enemy to their south was called Kerma, there is no definitive evidence of a nation called Kush on the Nile River until the 18th Dynasty.<br />
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One scholar writing theories about the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_Jews">Igbo Tribe of Africa</a> suggested that Midian's sons Ephah and Epher might have gone to Africa, and the name Africa itself might come from Epher. I think all five sons of Midian were still in Midian in the days of Moses, and that is why Midian had five kings during the Wandering. But maybe in the days of Gideon when some Midianites sought to conquer Israel, others migrated to Africa. And perhaps at that time some of the Cushites near them did the same. Midianites have already been suggested to be among the tribes that made up the Hyksos, perhaps the Cushites were as well.<br />
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Putting all of those factors into consideration. There is no definitive proof ANY reference to Cush in The Torah ever means Africa. And maybe even many references from later that cause confusion are confusing only because we assume Africa.<br />
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On the subject of Revised Chronology there is Zerah The Cushite who fought a war with King Asa according to 2 Chronicles. Nothing in that account mentions Egypt at all. But all theories on who Shishak is think an Ethiopian invading Israel a generation later must be tied to Egyptian history somehow. And while I have myself on this blog endorsed two possible Egyptian identifications for Zerah (<a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/11/adjusting-18th-dynasty.html">the more recent one the only one I still consider plausible</a>). I now feel the need to point out that we do not need to.<br />
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The proper account of the war with Zerah doesn't mention Lubim (often taken to mean Libya) either. But they are mentioned alongside the Ethiopians when a Prophet rebukes Asa later. We don't know everything about Asa's 41 year reign, this may not have even been the same war. But either way Libyans are in a much better position then Nubia to potentially come to Israel by sea and thus bypass Egypt altogether. And perhaps what Lubim refers to is itself something we need to reevaluate, but I don't feel like looking into that myself just yet.<br />
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Isaiah 18 is also confusing. Partly because this Prophecy includes a quotation. I think most likely Israel is the nation that the nation "beyond the rivers of Cush" is sending messengers to. The "rivers of Cush" I think best fits a Mesopotamian or Indian Cush.<br />
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In the reign of Jehoram/Joram of Judah, there is an account of Judah being attacked by Philistines and "Arabians who are by Cush". That doesn't make sense if Cush and Arabia are on different continents.<br />
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One more thought on Cush and Arabia. In <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-bible-never-says-nimrod-was-evil.html">an earlier Nimrod post</a> I observed how the Book of Jubilees seems to make a daughter of Nimrod the mother of Peleg and probably also Joktan. That would make Cush via Nimrod an ancestor of all the Semitic Tribes of Arabia.<br />
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Isaiah 20 is clearly the Cush in Africa however. Same mostly with Ezekiel 38&39 where since I view it the same as Revelation 20's Gog and Magog invasion, Cush is the South and Phut the West, while Persia is the East, and the other invaders mentioned are the North, all four corners (though Arabia could also be described as South, Jesus called the Queen of Saba the Queen of the South). And I do still think Taharqa is the 25th Dynasty ruler. <br />
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In <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-tribe-of-dan-and-sea-peoples.html">an early post of this blog</a> I made a big deal out of how Ethiopia in Greek mythology is linked to Joppa, and using that as evidence for the Ethiopian Jews claim to come from Dan. Since then I've read criticism that the Ethiopian Jews do not identify themselves with Dan, that idea comes solely from the legends spread by Eldad. The various traditions the Ethiopian Jews have all seem to favor them coming from Judah. That is something I may discus more in the future.<br />
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Maps drawn interpreting what was allotted to the Tribes tend to put Joppa in Dan. But Joshua 19:46 mentions a Danie location as a border before Joppa, not Joppa itself.. Likewise the Samson narrative from Judges 23-26 makes no reference to Joppa even though Samson was a Danite in their original allotment. Joppa seems to not be referenced itself at all till the time of Solomon, it appears in the Old Testament only three times, in 2 Chronicles 2:16, Ezra 3:7 and Jonah 1:3. Jonah is the most famous reference, but the other two are about the Lebanon in origin supplies for The Temple coming through there.<br />
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Once Dan existed solely in the North, his old allotment could have been absorbed by Judah, Benjamin, Ephraim or Western Manasseh. All four of those tribes also had Monarchies at some point, but Manasseh's only lasted two years. At the same time observations I've made elsewhere make Manasseh seem the most likely to be interested in Sea Faring and thus having a port city. But they had other ports already like Dor. Acts 9:32-28 refers to Lydda as being nigh to Joppa. Lydda is in the
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I mentioned how Cepheus is a name that could come from the same Semitic root the New Testament uses as the Hebrew/Aramaic counterpart to Petros/Peter. As an non-Catholic I know that Petros is Peter but Petras, the true Rock, is Jesus. Solomon is a type of Christ, and The Temple is a type of The Church. So could Cepheus have been a name for a Davidic King?<br />
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But Petra is also the name of a city in modern Jordan and the classical definition of Arabia, <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/04/sinai-in-midianarabia.html">that is possibly right where Sinai was</a>. So could this mythical Ethiopia also be an Arabian Cushan, and Joppa really just a port Perseus traveled through to get there? Memnon king of Ethiopia of Greek mythology had a brother who was a king of Arabia.<br />
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The Rock Moses struck to provide Water for the Israelites was a type of Jesus as The Rock, so connecting Petra and Cepheus to that region is very logical. Jeremiah 49:16 and Obadiah 3 both in prophecies against Edom refer to them "that dwellest in the clefts of the rock". The word for Rock there is Cela/Sela/Selah, believed to be the name for the Seir/Petra area in the Amarna letters, and mentioned in 2 Kings 14:7 which seems to describe it's name being changed. 1 Samuel 23 possibly records how it got the name Cela to begin with. Isaiah 42:11 also mentions Cela in close proximity to Kedar.<br />
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You might ask "where do Black Africans come from then?" <br />
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For starters as I don't believe in the Evolutionary model I think it's entirely possible many parts of Africa were not inhabited until after 1615 BC. And some even far later then that.<br />
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But regardless of that. I think Phut, the only Son of Ham who none of his own sons are named, could have been ancestral to more Tribes then we usually assume. I also think the Seven sons of Mizriam may have spread further then we usually assume. They certainly all started in Egypt, but ultimately the intent of Genesis 10 is to identify 70 distinct Nations, so I do think they were more then just subgroups of Egypt. The Kingdom of Kerma was probably a Mizraimite offshoot for example.<br />
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Last but not least, given the premise of my <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2015/06/shem-ham-and-japheth.html">Shem, Ham and Japheth post</a>. I'm willing to consider that the population of Africa is not limited to Ham. I've already suggested Midianites came at the same time Cush did. But maybe others came before that. Most of the sons of Joktan are not as firmly accounted for as the big three, Sheba, Ophir and Havilah, and links to Africa are argued even for those.<br />
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And at a much later point even then Cush. I have entertained the arguments of some that many Israelites came to Africa and were ancestral to the same Tribes chiefly targeted by the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. But that shall be a subject for <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-sea-peoples-and-lost-tribes.html">a future post</a>.Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9186639586000024135.post-64514971123489839572016-11-04T15:11:00.008-05:002021-07-01T19:15:46.525-05:00Adjusting the 18th DynastyI still think Shishak is most likely an 18th Dynasty Pharaoh, or rather 18th Dynasty at the latest.<br />
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There are some out there now who support Velikovsky's identity for Shishak but can't his view of the 19th Dynasty. And will thus try to argue a place for the 19th Dynasty putting it right after Velikovsky has the 18th end. One variation is arguing Seti I is the "Saviour" of Jahoash.<br />
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And with that one could argue, though I haven't seen it yet, for placing the Libyan (22nd and 23rd) dynasties between 19 and 20. Since Rameses III alludes to a foreign occupation then.<br />
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The thing is, I'm actually more convinced of Velikovsky's arguments for the 19th, 20th and 21st Dynasties then anything else, and I will be posting more on that in the future. So I'm the opposite of others in this regard.<br />
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My desire to adjust the 18th Dynasty began only with problems I saw in which specific campaign of Tuthmosis III Velikovsky identified with Shishak taking treasures form The Temple. We keep criticizing the conventional Shoshenk view by pointing out how Shoshenk's campaigns were in the North, ruled by Shishak's effective puppet Jeroboam. But Tuthmosis III's 21st year campaign (first year of his sole rule) was mainly a siege of Megiddo, also a northern city. Velikovsky talks about Megiddo being one of Solomon's main fortresses, but that doesn't matter, everything Solomon had north of Bethel became Jeroboam's by this point.<br />
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Something else I noticed. The Bible records Shishak and Rehoboam fighting no battle. The more detailed Chronicles account includes a description of his army, but because Rehoboam listened to the Prophet (unlike the Kings in the days of Jeremiah and Ezekiel) Temple treasures were turned over without a fight.<br />
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So if it is<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_III#Tours_of_Canaan_and_Syria"> a campaign of Tuthmosis III</a>, it could easily be one of the campaigns that focused only on collecting tribute. Or maybe it could fit <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thutmose_I#Military_achievements">Tuthmosis I</a>'s Syrian campaign where he describes how no one resisted him, a fact which has confused historians. But it could also fit Amenhotep II's campaigns from his 3rd, 7th or 9th years.<br />
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Solomon's marriage to the daughter of Pharaoh isn't mentioned in Chronicles, only in Kings, though Chronicles does mention Solomon bringing horses from Egypt. And Gezer isn't mentioned when the marriage is first refereed to. Pharaoh taking Gezer is thus based on only one verse, 1 Kings 9:16. I shall quote it in the context of the verses before and after.<br />
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And this is the reason of the levy which king Solomon raised; for to build the
house of the Yahuah, and his own house, and Millo, and the wall of Jerusalem, and
Hazor, and Megiddo, and Gezer. </blockquote>
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For Pharaoh king of Egypt had gone up, and taken Gezer, and burnt it with fire,
and slain the Canaanites that dwelt in the city, and given it for a present unto
his daughter, Solomon's wife.</blockquote>
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And Solomon built Gezer, and Bethhoron the nether.....</blockquote>
Velikovsky is willing to consider The Bible account imperfect or corrupted, as shown by his discussion of Ahab and Jehoram, which I responded to in my Amarna post. And Rhol does the same when arguing for his view of Babel, I adjust his argument in a way that can be more consistent with viewing God's word as inspired and preserved.<br />
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When one allows that option, the possibility that Gezer somehow became an error for Megiddo is plausible. I who do not consider it possible for the Masoretic text to be in error, am willing to consider that this whole account is a summery and by Pharaoh taking Gezer it might mean all three cities at the end of the previous verse.<br />
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That then opens up the option that Tuthmosis III's 21st-23rd years campaign is during Solomon's reign not Rehoboam. When in Solomon's reign Gezer was taken isn't clear. This verse seems to refer to it in past tense (the context of Solomon's reign at this point is about 20-25 years in). But I think this did happen later then the marriage since Gezer isn't mentioned in the initial account of it. And maybe in that case Gezer or Hazor is the city called Kadesh by Tuthmosis III. Gezer did have a Canaanite High Place, so it too could have been a Holy City. Hazor is actually quite close to Kadesh-Naphtali, not just both being in Naphtali, but very northern Naphtali, both significantly north of the Sea of Galilee.<br />
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So this could make the Shishak campaign either one of the very late campaigns of Tuthmosis III, or of Amenhotep II. And could make the daughter of Pharaoh Solomon married either a daughter of Tuthmosis III or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neferure">Neferure</a>.<br />
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Karnak does list Gezer as a city Tuthmosis III conquered. And <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezer#Middle_Bronze_Age">Wikipedia's page for Gezer</a> lists Tuthmosis as the only Pharaoh known to have conquered the city.<br />
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While I have many potential nitpicks of Velikovsky's Amarna view. The strong evidence for the Amarna period being being contemporary with Shalmanezzer III I do find quite compelling. But again for my view that would be Jehoram's reign over the north not Ahab's.<br />
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I tried to entertain David Rohl's Amarna view, his Mutbaal/Ishbaal connection is his strongest argument. It's not only Rohl who argued Mutbaal means "Man of Baal" it's at the start of <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutbaal">Mutbaal's wikipedia page</a>. However Labaya as Saul doesn't add up to me, I could see a Northern Kingdom ruler being defined mainly as Shechem, even the ones ruling from nearby Samaria. But Saul's capitals were all in Benjamin. Rohl also identifies Joab with a king of a very far northern city, which is just random.<br />
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The Amarna period must be some period of the Divided Kingdom. Even how <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten#International_relations">conventional chronology defines it</a> has the area of Israel mostly being defined by the rivalry between Labaya in Shechem and the King of Jerusalem.<br />
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I read an argument once for Labaya as Basha. I can't find it now.<br />
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But here is the thing, the beginning of the reign of Akhenaten is almost exactly 100 years after Tuthmosis III's battle of Megiddo, the Amarna period begins a decade before that, so 90 years later. The Biblical timeline of the divided kingdom has 90 years after Shishak plundered Rehobaom as during the brief reign of Athaliah, and thus the Amarna period mostly after she died. That's going off Ussher's dates.<br />
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So Velikovsky's synchronization for Shishak and Amarna can't both be right.<br />
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If the taking of Gezer can be synchronized to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Megiddo_(15th_century_BC)">Battle of Megiddo</a>, then Amarna can be moved down a couple decades and perhaps fit much better.<br />
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And if the taking of Gezer was very early in Solomon reign, then 90 years after that takes us to right after Omri moved his capital from Tirzah to Samaria, in the region of Shechem. The Bible doesn't tell us how Omri died, but it was about 6 years after he moved the capital to Samaria. The death of Labaya has sometimes been dated to while Amenhotep III still reigned.<br />
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If Ebed-Tov is a name all Kings of Judah used, then the letters might not even notice when Asa changed to Jehoshaphat. Or maybe Jehoshaphat was writing the letters during the later part of his father's reign?<br />
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In my earlier Amarna post I had suggested the possibility that the grandfather of Jehu was a son of Omri other then Ahab who was placed in charge of the Transjordan. Now that I'm considering Omri as Labaya, Mutbaal could have been an alternate name of Nimshi grandfather of Jehu. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimshi">Nimshi</a> may be a name given to him post-mortem considering it's meaning.<br />
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But even without a Jehu connection, it would be logical for Omri to place a son as a governor in the Trans-Jordan. And maybe it's because he ruled in the same region that he took the name of the much earlier Ishbaal.<br />
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<b>End of part 1, Beginning of Part 2</b>. <br />
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That timeline still has the issues so many find so unacceptable of the 19th Dynasty not immediately following the 18th. I will make further arguments for the gap between the 18th and 19th Dynasties <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2016/11/more-on-19th-dynasty-chronology.html">in the future</a>. But for the rest of this post I want to consider one more hypothetical timeline for the 18th Dynasty, one that would have it end pretty close to when Velikvosky has the 19th Dynasty begin.<br />
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The dates for Horemhab's reign are inconsistent, with most archeologists certain he didn't have more then 14 years, but with at least one ancient reference to 59 years. Maybe power struggles with Nubia/25th dynasty are a part of that confusion.<br />
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If Horemhab can be placed about when Velikovsky argued him to be (which he did in the context of removing him from the 18th dynasty altogether) it can become possible to argue for the Amarna period being contemporary with Menahem and Pekah. Menahem I think it is a bit easier to hypothetically identify with Labaya.<br />
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Let's talk about the sons of Labaya. We know he had more then one, and we know the name of only one. There is however no definitive proof Mutbaal was even among the sons referenced in other contexts. I will not argue for identifying Mutbaal with Pekaiah. I will for the next five paragraphs copy something I argued <a href="http://midseventiethweekrapture.blogspot.com/2016/01/did-lost-tribes-go-to-japan.html">elsewhere</a> not connected to revised chronology at all, for possibly making Hoshea a son of Menahem. And at the same time giving his dynasty a link to the Transjordan (where Mutbaal reigned) via Gad.<br />
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King Menahem is called Ben Gadi or "Son of Gadi", Gadi is the same in
the Hebrew as "Gadite", so perhaps Gadi wasn't the personal name of his
father but rather this phrase identifies him as a Gadite?<br />
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The house of Menahem does NOT like Jeroboam, Baasha or Ahab have a
declaration that it's male line was or will be entirely blotted out.
His son Pekahiah was killed in a coup by Pekah ben Remaliah. Pekah is
later killed in a coup by Hoshea ben Elah. Could Hoshea have been of
Menahem's house, that is often called the House of Gadi? Hoshea and
Menahem both paid tribute to the same Assyrian King, Tiglath-Pileser.<br />
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Maybe Elah was Pekahiah's brother? Or Sister, ending with a Heh is
usually grammatically feminine in Hebrew but our assumptions about some
names forget that. Or maybe Elah was a wife of Menahem or Pekahiah?<br />
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We are repeatedly told there is more to the story in an alluded to
Northern Kingdom counterpart to Chronicles, but it hasn't been preserved
since it (being kept by a less faithful Kingdom) wasn't God's Word.<br />
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The idea of Kings coming from Gad is intriguing to me because I've
noticed something about Moses Blessing on The Tribe of Gad in
Deuteronomy 33:20-21 that most don't. It's a blessing that seems to
imply Royal status, similar terminology to that used of Judah in Genesis
49:9-10. So Lost Tribes speculation aside that convinced me Samaria
did have a Gadite dynasty.<br />
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Maybe Hoshea could be Mutbaal, or maybe another brother. If this dynasty was a Gadite one then it could have been important to them to place a potential heir as the governor of Gad, or of the whole Transjordan.<br />
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Maybe the Shalmanezzer alluded to is V rather then III? <div><br /></div><div>BTW the Deuteronomy Prophecy about Gad uses the same Hebrew word for Lion that Rohl argued is root of the name Labaya.<br />
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This could place the start of the 18th Dynasty already after the time of Rehoboam. And open the possibly that Shishak was a Hyksos.<br />
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I <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2014/03/more-evidence-for-shishak-being.html">argued before that Shishak is in fact a Hebrew name</a> the etymology of which can be 100% explained as Hebrew in origin, coming from a word for linen. And did so for the purpose of suggesting that we need not look for it in Egyptian records at all. And I stand by that in terms of the first model I argued for in this post.<br />
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But the Hyksos used Semitic names. Did they use one that could explain the origin of Shishak? There is one very hotly debated figure of the second intermediate period who comes awfully close. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheshi">Sheshi</a>.<br />
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Rohl attempted to argue Sheshi was the Sheshai who was an Anakim king. In the Strongs that name is located close to some of the variants of Shishak, like Shashak and Sheshech. One other attested Egyptian king some have sought to identify Sheshi with is Sharek. So that is evidence for a version of the name with a K at the end. <br />
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Sheshi is also theorized to be the same as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenshek">Shenshek</a>. If Shoshenk proponents can add an n to the name, then adding one in a different spot is also acceptable.<br />
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The two theories about Sheshi provided by mainstream Egyptologists I find most interesting here are, that he may have been a Hyksos who reigned between Khyan and Apepi. Or that he was a Hyksos vessel who ruled in southern Canaan.<br />
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Shishak is NOT in either Kings or Chronicles called Pharaoh, the King who's daughter Solomon married was. Shishak is only called the King (Melek) of Egypt. But could it be this actually meant a King from or representing Egypt? Perhaps ruling from Al-Arish or Sharuen?<br />
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And then, could the Pharaoh who's daughter Solomon married be <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khyan">Khyan</a>? Arguably the Hyksos ruler who's influence was the most extensive? And the Hyksos may not have shared the hostility to marrying their daughter to foreign rulers that Amenhotep II and III did.<br />
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Josephus's version of Manetho seems to place Khyan after rather then before Apepi/Apophis. Modern Egyptologists are pretty sure him reigning before is correct. Either way aspects of what I just argued could be seen as weakening the Amalekites/Hyksos connection. But as I said the Hyksos were always a collection of tribes.<br />
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Sheshi's successor has been theorized to be <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehesy">Nehesy Aaserhe</a>. With Nehesy being interpreted to mean "The Nubian". Could Aaserhe somehow become Zerah? Maybe it could come from an attempt in the Egyptian language to represent Ha-Zerah (Zerah with a definite article, because Hebrew did use those before personal names). And "The Nubian" used to translate "The Cushite".<br />
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This second model is perhaps better compatible with a <a href="http://mithrandironchronology.blogspot.com/2017/01/sixth-dynasty-exodus-models-tend-to-be.html">6th Dynasty Exodus Model</a> then a Middle Kingdom model.</div>Kuudere-Kunhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06537085979461349854noreply@blogger.com0